1894 Morgan Real? Date and Position

kevinstang

This ones for sale locally and I cant look at in person right now because of weather. Its definitely been cleaned and I cant bring up detail enough to see known diagnostics. I wondering about date position, hows it look? The left foot of 1 in date appears broken, I couldnt find another example like this. I almost think I see remains of an S mintmark?

bretsan

The pictures are far too blurry to discern authenticity. The date location looks like the one on my 1894 Morgan. If it’s cleaned I always assume one grade lower to determine a fair price.

ifthevamzarockin

Hard to tell much from those photos but I would say questionable authenticity.

gumby1234

At the least harshly cleaned.

BillJones

When you are looking for opinions concerning grade or authenticity, you need to show the whole coin in addition to the close-up photos. Think of how people evaluate coins in person. They look at the whole piece than pull out the 10x.

mbogoman

Fake. No doubt. The 1 in the date should be centered over the gap between the 3rd and 4th denticles to the right of where Liberty's pointy neck points. I don't even think it's an authentic Morgan - the denticles on the reverse pic are suspect, but it's tough to tell without the full coin.

FYI - There is only one obverse die for this date/mm, so there is no doubt.

Here's an authentic one I used to own. Note the position of the 1:

ricko

Cannot determine authenticity from those limited - and blurry pictures....Cheers, RickO

coastaljerseyguy

Too blurry but I think the best & most obvious diagnostic is the vertical lines in the lips and nose. Always check vamworld as source.

telephoto1

Not a genuine 1894 Plain for sure... but can't tell you whether it's an altered O or S. I see the shadow there to which you refer but would need crisper pics to confirm. At any rate, it's definitely not a Philly issue. The cleaning was done to hide the MM removal. Either this seller is clueless or trying to get rid of a mistake.

messydesk

The date looks set a little too far to the left, but that could just be the quality of the pictures. Anyway, you want to take a look at this short die scratch above the eagle's left (viewer's right) foot. This is how I got the only PO1 1894 graded, so unless there's an unfortunate hit on the coin there, it'll be on yours if it's authentic.