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Planchet flaw or ED?

spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

No not that ED... πŸ«£πŸ˜…

Not my coin or photos, but it's an interesting flaw I am curious about. I don't have and can't take additional pictures.

What's your take on this? What kind of environmental damage causes a nearly laser straight cut across the coins edge without causing more deforming, and deforming only on one side of the coin? I see some deformation on the obverse but basically none on the reverse.

Could this be a planchet flaw?

Thanks!


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    TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Without seeing a whole coin picture my first thought is cropped photo.

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 21, 2023 10:11AM

    You'll notice the rev is rotated making it look like they don't line up at first. You can also see the Obv side looks depressed somewhat at the edge.


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    TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It just doesn't look like a genuine clip to me.I'm not expert, though. If I was to hazard a guess I would even go so far as to say it's a counterfeit with a fake clip manufactured in.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I see a coin with that level of polishing I can't help but suspect that it was done to hide or draw attention away from a part of the coin that has been worked on. An expert on clipped planchets will have to comment further and that is not me.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:
    It just doesn't look like a genuine clip to me.I'm not expert, though. If I was to hazard a guess I would even go so far as to say it's a counterfeit with a fake clip manufactured in.

    Hmm... Interesting theory. It's almost as if someone took a press with a straight edge and cut off the edge as you can see part of the edge appears deformed on the obverse towards the edge. πŸ€”

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    lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Page for the curved clips with diagnostics.
    https://www.error-ref.com/curved_clips/
    And straight clips page with some diagnostics.
    https://www.error-ref.com/straight_clips/

    I am no error type either. But the reverse of that coin is very well struck up a the edge (dentils) unlike error information.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YNufnS_kf4 - Mama I'm coming home ...................................................................................................................................................................... RLJ 1958 - 2023

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lilolme said:
    Page for the curved clips with diagnostics.
    https://www.error-ref.com/curved_clips/
    And straight clips page with some diagnostics.
    https://www.error-ref.com/straight_clips/

    I am no error type either. But the reverse of that coin is very well struck up a the edge (dentils) unlike error information.

    Thanks for the links. By searching there I found https://www.error-ref.com/cutting-burr/
    Possible? With a single type metal as opposed to the clad coin they show, plausible that it could show a tapered edge more? They do state that the reverse is unaffected in this case. πŸ€”

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    lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spyglassdesign said:

    @lilolme said:
    Page for the curved clips with diagnostics.
    https://www.error-ref.com/curved_clips/
    And straight clips page with some diagnostics.
    https://www.error-ref.com/straight_clips/

    I am no error type either. But the reverse of that coin is very well struck up a the edge (dentils) unlike error information.

    Thanks for the links. By searching there I found https://www.error-ref.com/cutting-burr/
    Possible? With a single type metal as opposed to the clad coin they show, plausible that it could show a tapered edge more? They do state that the reverse is unaffected in this case. πŸ€”

    Again I am not an error type so take this option knowing that. The link appears to be talking about a straight clip but in addition to the straight clip there is a burr on one side (does give example of a double sided burr). When the coin is struck this planchet burr is then struck into the coin on one side. The clip is still the error clip information.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YNufnS_kf4 - Mama I'm coming home ...................................................................................................................................................................... RLJ 1958 - 2023

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lilolme said:

    @spyglassdesign said:

    @lilolme said:
    Page for the curved clips with diagnostics.
    https://www.error-ref.com/curved_clips/
    And straight clips page with some diagnostics.
    https://www.error-ref.com/straight_clips/

    I am no error type either. But the reverse of that coin is very well struck up a the edge (dentils) unlike error information.

    Thanks for the links. By searching there I found https://www.error-ref.com/cutting-burr/
    Possible? With a single type metal as opposed to the clad coin they show, plausible that it could show a tapered edge more? They do state that the reverse is unaffected in this case. πŸ€”

    Again I am not an error type so take this option knowing that. The link appears to be talking about a straight clip but in addition to the straight clip there is a burr on one side (does give example of a double sided burr). When the coin is struck this planchet burr is then struck into the coin on one side. The clip is still the error clip information.

    True.

    Here is one side of the straight clip that does seem to have the disformed edge similarly to the coin of interest:

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    lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is the error ref (expanded) diagnostic page for these type of errors (hopefully the link stay all together this time).
    https://www.error-ref.com/blanking-and-cutting-errors/

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YNufnS_kf4 - Mama I'm coming home ...................................................................................................................................................................... RLJ 1958 - 2023

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    goodmoney4badmoneygoodmoney4badmoney Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭✭

    Based on the photos it doesn’t look like a genuine clip/flaw to me.

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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 21, 2023 3:39PM

    Looks like PMD to me, no way the denticles up against the clip would have that sort of definition if the metal was missing prior to the strike, and I do not see any signs of metal flow on the rim on either face.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @seanq said:
    Looks like PMD to me, no way the denticles up against the clip would have that sort of definition if the metal was missing prior to the strike, and I do not see any signs of metal flow on the rim on either face.

    Sean Reynolds

    You make sense. As the metal is being squeezed it would seem that both sides would be less defined at that point since neither side would have the full amount of metal.

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would pass on this coin if you are considering buying it.

    Collector, occasional seller

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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spyglassdesign said:

    @seanq said:
    Looks like PMD to me, no way the denticles up against the clip would have that sort of definition if the metal was missing prior to the strike, and I do not see any signs of metal flow on the rim on either face.

    Sean Reynolds

    You make sense. As the metal is being squeezed it would seem that both sides would be less defined at that point since neither side would have the full amount of metal.

    I don't have pics handy of a dollar to help illustrate my comment, but here is a seated quarter with a genuine straight clip that every diagnostic you want - weak devices near the clip, metal flow on the rim, and Blakesley effect. Not every coin has every diagnostic, but if you don't see any, it's a big red flag.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ChrisH821 said:
    I would pass on this coin if you are considering buying it.

    I was thinking about it but decided against it then thought it would be a good topic not only for myself but for others πŸ‘

    I learned several things today and hopefully someone else will too!

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This appears (to me) to be post mint, or there would be flow at the demarcation. Cheers, RickO

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