@oreville said:
I cannot believe I missed your Saint thread from January.
I am truly envious of your accomplishment. I have to tread carefully assembling my Saint set to avoid my wife divorcing me!
How did you do it? LOL. Meaning how did you sweet talk your family into allowing you to spend your funds on little gold coins instead of Silicon Valley Bank? 😳
I am happy and impressed you are trying to preserve the legacy of the pedigree of each Saint and not just reslabbing them into a new “Elite” slab.
You have the forbidden fruit… the 1933 along with the virtual forbidden fruit the 1921 and the 1927-D!
Which one of the three do you enjoy the most?
Enjoy your set in good health and good fortune. Thank you for sharing with us your journey.
Looking at your set through photos cannot compare to viewing them in person.
I agree that legacy and pedigrees are very important. I will make sure to include all the important pedigrees on the slabs.
The 1933 is a special coin and got me into this crazy ambitious task of creating the best Saints set ever. The 1927-D is special because of how I got it, which is a long story, and how critical it is for a complete CAC Saint set. And the 1921 was part of the deal of the century... another long story. Including the UHR, these are my favorite Saints.
I absolutely love all coins dated 1921 most of all. Canadian and US coins
I was fortunate enough to acquire Jack Lee’s 1921 Saint in PCGS and later CAC stickered MS-66 grade. i never took it out of Jack Lee’s PCGS holder. Also acquired 1921 Canadian quarter as well in ICCS taped sealed 2x2 envelope.
I did not like the Canadian 1921 half and silver dollar enough to buy them butbstill looking. While the 1933 and 1927-D Saints are really special the right 1921 Saint is the one I desired most but was never available at the same time I almost had enough funds to acquire it, Other coins I acquired seem to interfere with the 1921 Saint.
While others might want the 1933, others 1927-D, I vote for the 1921!
You can also see me on the CAC threads with the same user name.
Beautiful set. The 1933 double Eagle has such a great story: espionage, a deposed King, presidential decree, a Secret agent sting operation ensnaring one of the most prominent coin dealers in the country at the time (Jay Parrino). Thanks for sharing this extraordinary accomplishment.
Jack’s 1921 walker wants Simpson’s 1921 Saint to come over and play. LOL. i bought it 20 years ago in 1997 which was 20 years before CAC was formed. Still in the same PCGS OGH.
I am not sure I want to try to cross this 1921 to CACG to try to obrain a MS-66+ grade. If it was in the newer PCGS blue label holder I would be more tempted to try.
@EliteCollection said:
The 1933 is a special coin and got me into this crazy ambitious task of creating the best Saints set ever. The 1927-D is special because of how I got it, which is a long story, and how critical it is for a complete CAC Saint set. And the 1921 was part of the deal of the century... another long story. Including the UHR, these are my favorite Saints.
I'd love to hear some long stories from you!
Sure thing. I will give you the story of my 27D.
In 2021 when I was building my Saints set, I reached out to multiple coin dealers looking for a 27D plus a bunch of other Saints. One of the coin dealers reached out to me saying that he knows a collector that is interested in selling their 1927-D MS66 coin and the asking price was $3.2m. I won't name the dealer, but let's call him Dealer A. Dealer A did mention that this was the Eliasberg pedigree'd coin and that it has never been to CAC and Dealer A really believes that it should sticker. That was hard for me to believe that given such a big coin, why would the seller or previous owner(s) not have already sent this to CAC?
At that time, the PCGS price guide was at $2.5m and the pop report was 5 in MS66 and 1 in MS67 and none of these coins had CAC stickers. Given no recent sales of an MS66 and the previous sale was an MS65+ CAC for $2.16m, I thought $3.2m was way too high. I was at $2.5m. After some back and forth, I offered $2.7m but the seller was not willing to go lower than $3m, so I decided to pass and wait for another coin.
I forgot about the coin for a couple weeks until another coin dealer, Dealer B, reached out to me and said he has lead on a 27D. It turns out to be the same coin with Eliasberg pedigree. Dealer B came up with a better approach though. He suggested that I offer a higher price if the coin gets a CAC sticker. So my offer would be contingent on the coin stickering. This became a much more exciting situation for me. I was willing to pay more for a stickered 27D. This is because I was also trying to complete a CAC only Saints set. At the time, Half Dome had the #1 set, but his set was missing a 27D. I believe he does have a 27D but not stickered. If I was able to get a 27D with a CAC sticker, I can overtake Half Dome's set even if some of my other coins have lower grades, because my set would be 100% complete.
I thought Dealer B's suggestion was great so Dealer B helped me negotiate with the seller on a price. We eventually agreed on the $3m price if the coin stickered. If it didn't sticker, I had no obligation to buy but could offer a lower amount. The seller personally took the coin to John Albanese to have him look at the coin. John looked at it and immediately stickered it. John even thought that it had a good chance to get a plus from PCGS. So the deal was done for $3m plus a commission to Dealer B.
After the deal was done, Dealer A found out and was quite upset about the whole situation. In hindsight, maybe I should not have gone around Dealer A to work with Dealer B on the deal, but at the time I didn't think too much about it. I had no loyalty to Dealer A and Dealer B was able to come up with an innovative way to close the gap. It would also have been unfair for me to take Dealer B's idea and work with Dealer A on the deal.
Anyways, like I said, it's a long story. I believe this is has turned out to be a great deal for me as Simpson's non-CAC MS 66 sold 6 months ago for $4.44m! Oh, and was able to complete the first ever all-CAC Saints set and it is now by far the #1 set above Half Dome's.
@EliteCollection said:
The 1933 is a special coin and got me into this crazy ambitious task of creating the best Saints set ever. The 1927-D is special because of how I got it, which is a long story, and how critical it is for a complete CAC Saint set. And the 1921 was part of the deal of the century... another long story. Including the UHR, these are my favorite Saints.
I'd love to hear some long stories from you!
Sure thing. I will give you the story of my 27D.
In 2021 when I was building my Saints set, I reached out to multiple coin dealers looking for a 27D plus a bunch of other Saints. One of the coin dealers reached out to me saying that he knows a collector that is interested in selling their 1927-D MS66 coin and the asking price was $3.2m. I won't name the dealer, but let's call him Dealer A. Dealer A did mention that this was the Eliasberg pedigree'd coin and that it has never been to CAC and Dealer A really believes that it should sticker. That was hard for me to believe that given such a big coin, why would the seller or previous owner(s) not have already sent this to CAC?
At that time, the PCGS price guide was at $2.5m and the pop report was 5 in MS66 and 1 in MS67 and none of these coins had CAC stickers. Given no recent sales of an MS66 and the previous sale was an MS65+ CAC for $2.16m, I thought $3.2m was way too high. I was at $2.5m. After some back and forth, I offered $2.7m but the seller was not willing to go lower than $3m, so I decided to pass and wait for another coin.
I forgot about the coin for a couple weeks until another coin dealer, Dealer B, reached out to me and said he has lead on a 27D. It turns out to be the same coin with Eliasberg pedigree. Dealer B came up with a better approach though. He suggested that I offer a higher price if the coin gets a CAC sticker. So my offer would be contingent on the coin stickering. This became a much more exciting situation for me. I was willing to pay more for a stickered 27D. This is because I was also trying to complete a CAC only Saints set. At the time, Half Dome had the #1 set, but his set was missing a 27D. I believe he does have a 27D but not stickered. If I was able to get a 27D with a CAC sticker, I can overtake Half Dome's set even if some of my other coins have lower grades, because my set would be 100% complete.
I thought Dealer B's suggestion was great so Dealer B helped me negotiate with the seller on a price. We eventually agreed on the $3m price if the coin stickered. If it didn't sticker, I had no obligation to buy but could offer a lower amount. The seller personally took the coin to John Albanese to have him look at the coin. John looked at it and immediately stickered it. John even thought that it had a good chance to get a plus from PCGS. So the deal was done for $3m plus a commission to Dealer B.
After the deal was done, Dealer A found out and was quite upset about the whole situation. In hindsight, maybe I should not have gone around Dealer A to work with Dealer B on the deal, but at the time I didn't think too much about it. I had no loyalty to Dealer A and Dealer B was able to come up with an innovative way to close the gap. It would also have been unfair for me to take Dealer B's idea and work with Dealer A on the deal.
Anyways, like I said, it's a long story. I believe this is has turned out to be a great deal for me as Simpson's non-CAC MS 66 sold 6 months ago for $4.44m! Oh, and was able to complete the first ever all-CAC Saints set and it is now by far the #1 set above Half Dome's.
Thanks very much for that.
I'm a stickler for fair, honest dealing and my opinion is that once dealer A (representing the owner of the coin) rejected your offer, you had no obligation to try to negotiate further/again with him. And at that point, there was nothing improper in entering into negotiations with dealer B, after having been contacted by him.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@EliteCollection said:
The 1933 is a special coin and got me into this crazy ambitious task of creating the best Saints set ever. The 1927-D is special because of how I got it, which is a long story, and how critical it is for a complete CAC Saint set. And the 1921 was part of the deal of the century... another long story. Including the UHR, these are my favorite Saints.
I'd love to hear some long stories from you!
Sure thing. I will give you the story of my 27D.
In 2021 when I was building my Saints set, I reached out to multiple coin dealers looking for a 27D plus a bunch of other Saints. One of the coin dealers reached out to me saying that he knows a collector that is interested in selling their 1927-D MS66 coin and the asking price was $3.2m. I won't name the dealer, but let's call him Dealer A. Dealer A did mention that this was the Eliasberg pedigree'd coin and that it has never been to CAC and Dealer A really believes that it should sticker. That was hard for me to believe that given such a big coin, why would the seller or previous owner(s) not have already sent this to CAC?
At that time, the PCGS price guide was at $2.5m and the pop report was 5 in MS66 and 1 in MS67 and none of these coins had CAC stickers. Given no recent sales of an MS66 and the previous sale was an MS65+ CAC for $2.16m, I thought $3.2m was way too high. I was at $2.5m. After some back and forth, I offered $2.7m but the seller was not willing to go lower than $3m, so I decided to pass and wait for another coin.
I forgot about the coin for a couple weeks until another coin dealer, Dealer B, reached out to me and said he has lead on a 27D. It turns out to be the same coin with Eliasberg pedigree. Dealer B came up with a better approach though. He suggested that I offer a higher price if the coin gets a CAC sticker. So my offer would be contingent on the coin stickering. This became a much more exciting situation for me. I was willing to pay more for a stickered 27D. This is because I was also trying to complete a CAC only Saints set. At the time, Half Dome had the #1 set, but his set was missing a 27D. I believe he does have a 27D but not stickered. If I was able to get a 27D with a CAC sticker, I can overtake Half Dome's set even if some of my other coins have lower grades, because my set would be 100% complete.
I thought Dealer B's suggestion was great so Dealer B helped me negotiate with the seller on a price. We eventually agreed on the $3m price if the coin stickered. If it didn't sticker, I had no obligation to buy but could offer a lower amount. The seller personally took the coin to John Albanese to have him look at the coin. John looked at it and immediately stickered it. John even thought that it had a good chance to get a plus from PCGS. So the deal was done for $3m plus a commission to Dealer B.
After the deal was done, Dealer A found out and was quite upset about the whole situation. In hindsight, maybe I should not have gone around Dealer A to work with Dealer B on the deal, but at the time I didn't think too much about it. I had no loyalty to Dealer A and Dealer B was able to come up with an innovative way to close the gap. It would also have been unfair for me to take Dealer B's idea and work with Dealer A on the deal.
Anyways, like I said, it's a long story. I believe this is has turned out to be a great deal for me as Simpson's non-CAC MS 66 sold 6 months ago for $4.44m! Oh, and was able to complete the first ever all-CAC Saints set and it is now by far the #1 set above Half Dome's.
Thanks very much for that.
I'm a stickler for fair, honest dealing and my opinion is that once dealer A (representing the owner of the coin) rejected your offer, you had no obligation to try to negotiate further/again with him. And at that point, there was nothing improper in entering into negotiations with dealer B, after having been contacted by him.
I approached my purchases of upper grade raritiy coins over the past 10 years accepting the asking price if it CAC stickered when appropriate
Mark Feld’s former boss was just one dealer I dealt with in just doing that.
What prompted you to start collecting coins? That is the story that I want to hear also.
I started young collecting pennies in albums. After college, I became a small gold bug and got into collecting Saints. I had completed about 60-70% of the set in MS64/65 grades. In 2021, when the 1933 went on auction, I was fortunately enough to have the means to go for it and managed to win it. After that, it became my goal to build the best Saints set I possibly can. I already got the hardest coin, how hard can the rest be?
What prompted you to start collecting coins? That is the story that I want to hear also.
I started young collecting pennies in albums. After college, I became a small gold bug and got into collecting Saints. I had completed about 60-70% of the set in MS64/65 grades. In 2021, when the 1933 went on auction, I was fortunately enough to have the means to go for it and managed to win it. After that, it became my goal to build the best Saints set I possibly can. I already got the hardest coin, how hard can the rest be?
Well, for one potential stopper, do you have any leads on the unique 1934?
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Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@EliteCollection said:
It wouldn't be the first time that I find out something new and crazy in coins. Maybe a mint worker did a sample 1934 saint... lol.
Daniel Carr 1934-D Saint?
I wonder if Daniel Carr ever did 1917-D , 1918-D and 1919-D Saints as a fantasy strike. You would want them for sure!
@EliteCollection said:
The 1933 is a special coin and got me into this crazy ambitious task of creating the best Saints set ever. The 1927-D is special because of how I got it, which is a long story, and how critical it is for a complete CAC Saint set. And the 1921 was part of the deal of the century... another long story. Including the UHR, these are my favorite Saints.
I'd love to hear some long stories from you!
Sure thing. I will give you the story of my 27D.
In 2021 when I was building my Saints set, I reached out to multiple coin dealers looking for a 27D plus a bunch of other Saints. One of the coin dealers reached out to me saying that he knows a collector that is interested in selling their 1927-D MS66 coin and the asking price was $3.2m. I won't name the dealer, but let's call him Dealer A. Dealer A did mention that this was the Eliasberg pedigree'd coin and that it has never been to CAC and Dealer A really believes that it should sticker. That was hard for me to believe that given such a big coin, why would the seller or previous owner(s) not have already sent this to CAC?
At that time, the PCGS price guide was at $2.5m and the pop report was 5 in MS66 and 1 in MS67 and none of these coins had CAC stickers. Given no recent sales of an MS66 and the previous sale was an MS65+ CAC for $2.16m, I thought $3.2m was way too high. I was at $2.5m. After some back and forth, I offered $2.7m but the seller was not willing to go lower than $3m, so I decided to pass and wait for another coin.
I forgot about the coin for a couple weeks until another coin dealer, Dealer B, reached out to me and said he has lead on a 27D. It turns out to be the same coin with Eliasberg pedigree. Dealer B came up with a better approach though. He suggested that I offer a higher price if the coin gets a CAC sticker. So my offer would be contingent on the coin stickering. This became a much more exciting situation for me. I was willing to pay more for a stickered 27D. This is because I was also trying to complete a CAC only Saints set. At the time, Half Dome had the #1 set, but his set was missing a 27D. I believe he does have a 27D but not stickered. If I was able to get a 27D with a CAC sticker, I can overtake Half Dome's set even if some of my other coins have lower grades, because my set would be 100% complete.
I thought Dealer B's suggestion was great so Dealer B helped me negotiate with the seller on a price. We eventually agreed on the $3m price if the coin stickered. If it didn't sticker, I had no obligation to buy but could offer a lower amount. The seller personally took the coin to John Albanese to have him look at the coin. John looked at it and immediately stickered it. John even thought that it had a good chance to get a plus from PCGS. So the deal was done for $3m plus a commission to Dealer B.
After the deal was done, Dealer A found out and was quite upset about the whole situation. In hindsight, maybe I should not have gone around Dealer A to work with Dealer B on the deal, but at the time I didn't think too much about it. I had no loyalty to Dealer A and Dealer B was able to come up with an innovative way to close the gap. It would also have been unfair for me to take Dealer B's idea and work with Dealer A on the deal.
Anyways, like I said, it's a long story. I believe this is has turned out to be a great deal for me as Simpson's non-CAC MS 66 sold 6 months ago for $4.44m! Oh, and was able to complete the first ever all-CAC Saints set and it is now by far the #1 set above Half Dome's.
A new big beautiful coin like that deserves a congratulations on both forums- bravo! You’re gonna make me buy my first Saint- if you left any out there for me!
@Floridafacelifter said:
A new big beautiful coin like that deserves a congratulations on both forums- bravo! You’re gonna make me buy my first Saint- if you left any out there for me!
Thanks!
You don't have a Saint? That's crazy talk!
@Floridafacelifter said:
A new big beautiful coin like that deserves a congratulations on both forums- bravo! You’re gonna make me buy my first Saint- if you left any out there for me!
Well
Their might be a 1907 High Relief Wire Edge in MS67 CAC for sale...................
@Floridafacelifter said:
A new big beautiful coin like that deserves a congratulations on both forums- bravo! You’re gonna make me buy my first Saint- if you left any out there for me!
Thanks!
You don't have a Saint? That's crazy talk!
I have no plans to sell the set anytime soon. @ianrussell of GreatCollections will be my representative at the ANA. I believe the set will be displayed at the GreatCollections booth unless ANA is putting it in a special location.
I have no plans to sell the set anytime soon. @ianrussell of GreatCollections will be my representative at the ANA. I believe the set will be displayed at the GreatCollections booth unless ANA is putting it in a special location.
Very good. If you decide to visit coffee is on the house.
I have no plans to sell the set anytime soon. @ianrussell of GreatCollections will be my representative at the ANA. I believe the set will be displayed at the GreatCollections booth unless ANA is putting it in a special location.
We will all follow with great interest your efforts on this set. Your new 67.5 is still Pop 2/3 with two 68's and a 69 possible upgrades. I am sure that you know where they are and wish you the best in acquiring them. You have come so far in this set, but you certainly have to consider the possibility that all of your coins in this set could be /0, or no better for any date. Some of your other sets are very close to this perfection as well and I hope that if you can accomplish this you will earn the respect as one of the greatest collectors ever, as in my opinion you already have. It is worth noting that you have accomplished this despite competition from other very wealthy collectors. James Bond would know you as Goldfinger........?
We on the forum appreciate your sharing your collection and wish you the best.
@OldIndianNutKase said:
We will all follow with great interest your efforts on this set. Your new 67.5 is still Pop 2/3 with two 68's and a 69 possible upgrades. I am sure that you know where they are and wish you the best in acquiring them. You have come so far in this set, but you certainly have to consider the possibility that all of your coins in this set could be /0, or no better for any date. Some of your other sets are very close to this perfection as well and I hope that if you can accomplish this you will earn the respect as one of the greatest collectors ever, as in my opinion you already have. It is worth noting that you have accomplished this despite competition from other very wealthy collectors. James Bond would know you as Goldfinger........?
We on the forum appreciate your sharing your collection and wish you the best.
OINK
I don't know where all the coins are but they will come on the market sooner or later. And I won't rest until my set is unimprovable. But that doesn't mean I'm going to get a coin no matter the cost. I have passed on a few coins that would have improved my set.
I don't know where all the coins are but they will come on the market sooner or later. And I won't rest until my set is unimprovable. But that doesn't mean I'm going to get a coin no matter the cost. I have passed on a few coins that would have improved my set.
Btw, I love the acronym you gave yourself.
You do have a fan base in this forum that shares your collection with you. We are the collectors who only dream of your accomplishments. And if you can MAX out the Saint set on the registry, meaning that you have no coins that do not grade top POP, you have not yet Maxed out with the highest grade possible. You are so very close, please just do not give up. Know that you do have a supporting cast behind you.
That's a very lovely plus upgrade. I appreciate how you have engaged with your fellow collectors very much! Your set is beyond Jupiter and heading for Pluto.
I don't know where all the coins are but they will come on the market sooner or later. And I won't rest until my set is unimprovable. But that doesn't mean I'm going to get a coin no matter the cost. I have passed on a few coins that would have improved my set.
Btw, I love the acronym you gave yourself.
You do have a fan base in this forum that shares your collection with you. We are the collectors who only dream of your accomplishments. And if you can MAX out the Saint set on the registry, meaning that you have no coins that do not grade top POP, you have not yet Maxed out with the highest grade possible. You are so very close, please just do not give up. Know that you do have a supporting cast behind you.
The highest graded coins aren’t always the best or the most desirable. But even if they were, rather than focus on what @EliteCollection doesn’t have, I prefer to admire his collection, as is, and compliment him on what he’s accomplished.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Such an awesome set! Thanks for sharing!
I absolutely love all coins dated 1921 most of all. Canadian and US coins
I was fortunate enough to acquire Jack Lee’s 1921 Saint in PCGS and later CAC stickered MS-66 grade. i never took it out of Jack Lee’s PCGS holder. Also acquired 1921 Canadian quarter as well in ICCS taped sealed 2x2 envelope.
I did not like the Canadian 1921 half and silver dollar enough to buy them butbstill looking. While the 1933 and 1927-D Saints are really special the right 1921 Saint is the one I desired most but was never available at the same time I almost had enough funds to acquire it, Other coins I acquired seem to interfere with the 1921 Saint.
While others might want the 1933, others 1927-D, I vote for the 1921!
You can also see me on the CAC threads with the same user name.
Speechless.
Major congrats on a major accomplishment.
Now pardon me while I go back to oogling them some more.
I'm speechless looking at your set. We'll travel whenever to wherever to gaze on these. Awesome!!!
Beautiful set. The 1933 double Eagle has such a great story: espionage, a deposed King, presidential decree, a Secret agent sting operation ensnaring one of the most prominent coin dealers in the country at the time (Jay Parrino). Thanks for sharing this extraordinary accomplishment.
“ While others might want the 1933, others 1927-D, I vote for the 1921!”
On another thought, on Monday and Tuesday i might desire the 1921, wednesday the 1927-D and on Thursday the 1933 and so forth?!
Do you have the cert number for this coin? CAC website doesn't show that it has stickered any 1921 MS 66.
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There is 1 stickered 1921 walker in PCGS MS-66 per the CAC website.
Coin Verification Results
Serial Number
9942468
Grading Service
PCGS
Description
1921 Half Dollars Walking Liberty MS66
Status
CAC
Jack’s 1921 walker wants Simpson’s 1921 Saint to come over and play. LOL. i bought it 20 years ago in 1997 which was 20 years before CAC was formed. Still in the same PCGS OGH.
Oh, I see. You meant you owned the 1921 walker instead of 1921 saint.
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Elite:
I am not sure I want to try to cross this 1921 to CACG to try to obrain a MS-66+ grade. If it was in the newer PCGS blue label holder I would be more tempted to try.
LOL I must have been tired and wrote Saint instead of walker!
Sorry to confuse you!
Maybe I was wishing it was a 1921 Saint? LOL.
You had me worried that somehow CAC deleted the 1921 Walker.
I went to CAC website to double check!
Sure thing. I will give you the story of my 27D.
In 2021 when I was building my Saints set, I reached out to multiple coin dealers looking for a 27D plus a bunch of other Saints. One of the coin dealers reached out to me saying that he knows a collector that is interested in selling their 1927-D MS66 coin and the asking price was $3.2m. I won't name the dealer, but let's call him Dealer A. Dealer A did mention that this was the Eliasberg pedigree'd coin and that it has never been to CAC and Dealer A really believes that it should sticker. That was hard for me to believe that given such a big coin, why would the seller or previous owner(s) not have already sent this to CAC?
At that time, the PCGS price guide was at $2.5m and the pop report was 5 in MS66 and 1 in MS67 and none of these coins had CAC stickers. Given no recent sales of an MS66 and the previous sale was an MS65+ CAC for $2.16m, I thought $3.2m was way too high. I was at $2.5m. After some back and forth, I offered $2.7m but the seller was not willing to go lower than $3m, so I decided to pass and wait for another coin.
I forgot about the coin for a couple weeks until another coin dealer, Dealer B, reached out to me and said he has lead on a 27D. It turns out to be the same coin with Eliasberg pedigree. Dealer B came up with a better approach though. He suggested that I offer a higher price if the coin gets a CAC sticker. So my offer would be contingent on the coin stickering. This became a much more exciting situation for me. I was willing to pay more for a stickered 27D. This is because I was also trying to complete a CAC only Saints set. At the time, Half Dome had the #1 set, but his set was missing a 27D. I believe he does have a 27D but not stickered. If I was able to get a 27D with a CAC sticker, I can overtake Half Dome's set even if some of my other coins have lower grades, because my set would be 100% complete.
I thought Dealer B's suggestion was great so Dealer B helped me negotiate with the seller on a price. We eventually agreed on the $3m price if the coin stickered. If it didn't sticker, I had no obligation to buy but could offer a lower amount. The seller personally took the coin to John Albanese to have him look at the coin. John looked at it and immediately stickered it. John even thought that it had a good chance to get a plus from PCGS. So the deal was done for $3m plus a commission to Dealer B.
After the deal was done, Dealer A found out and was quite upset about the whole situation. In hindsight, maybe I should not have gone around Dealer A to work with Dealer B on the deal, but at the time I didn't think too much about it. I had no loyalty to Dealer A and Dealer B was able to come up with an innovative way to close the gap. It would also have been unfair for me to take Dealer B's idea and work with Dealer A on the deal.
After I bought the coin, I sent the coin to PCGS and it did get a plus. So now it sits in a PCGS MS 66+ CAC Ex. Eliasberg holder!
Anyways, like I said, it's a long story. I believe this is has turned out to be a great deal for me as Simpson's non-CAC MS 66 sold 6 months ago for $4.44m! Oh, and was able to complete the first ever all-CAC Saints set and it is now by far the #1 set above Half Dome's.
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Thanks very much for that.
I'm a stickler for fair, honest dealing and my opinion is that once dealer A (representing the owner of the coin) rejected your offer, you had no obligation to try to negotiate further/again with him. And at that point, there was nothing improper in entering into negotiations with dealer B, after having been contacted by him.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I approached my purchases of upper grade raritiy coins over the past 10 years accepting the asking price if it CAC stickered when appropriate
Mark Feld’s former boss was just one dealer I dealt with in just doing that.
She is a sweetheart.
But back to Elite’s journey!
Elite:
What prompted you to start collecting coins? That is the story that I want to hear also.
I started young collecting pennies in albums. After college, I became a small gold bug and got into collecting Saints. I had completed about 60-70% of the set in MS64/65 grades. In 2021, when the 1933 went on auction, I was fortunately enough to have the means to go for it and managed to win it. After that, it became my goal to build the best Saints set I possibly can. I already got the hardest coin, how hard can the rest be?
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Well, for one potential stopper, do you have any leads on the unique 1934?
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😈
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I'm not sure if this is a joke or if you are serious. I wasn't aware of a 1934 saint.
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I apologize - I was kidding.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
He’s kidding. 😉
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It wouldn't be the first time that I find out something new and crazy in coins. Maybe a mint worker did a sample 1934 saint... lol.
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Daniel Carr 1934-D Saint?
I wonder if Daniel Carr ever did 1917-D , 1918-D and 1919-D Saints as a fantasy strike. You would want them for sure!
I enjoy reading coin stories. Thanks for sharing.
All I can say is, STELLAR 👍👍
Absolutely beautiful and congratulations on such an amazing set. I’m bowled over.
Wow what an amazing set!
Elite Collection - thank you for sharing your story and journey with us. I enjoy hearing about collector's journey in coins.
Incredible set and cool story on the 27-D. 👍
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I looked at it for a half hour last night and I rarely even glance at saints. Beautiful coins!
Got a new coin for my set!
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Wow nice upgrade
awesome accomplishment! Congratulations!
Beautiful addition
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Thanks! This replaced a 67 CAC, so a small upgrade.
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A new big beautiful coin like that deserves a congratulations on both forums- bravo! You’re gonna make me buy my first Saint- if you left any out there for me!
Thanks!
You don't have a Saint? That's crazy talk!
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Well
Their might be a 1907 High Relief Wire Edge in MS67 CAC for sale...................
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Haha working on it!
Unfortunately, that's already spoken for.
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Wow, that 1907 High Relief is a beauty for sure.
Congrats on your set, you have some amazing coins.
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How long do you plan to hold the set together less upgrades?
Will you have a representative at ANA?
I have no plans to sell the set anytime soon. @ianrussell of GreatCollections will be my representative at the ANA. I believe the set will be displayed at the GreatCollections booth unless ANA is putting it in a special location.
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Very good. If you decide to visit coffee is on the house.
We will all follow with great interest your efforts on this set. Your new 67.5 is still Pop 2/3 with two 68's and a 69 possible upgrades. I am sure that you know where they are and wish you the best in acquiring them. You have come so far in this set, but you certainly have to consider the possibility that all of your coins in this set could be /0, or no better for any date. Some of your other sets are very close to this perfection as well and I hope that if you can accomplish this you will earn the respect as one of the greatest collectors ever, as in my opinion you already have. It is worth noting that you have accomplished this despite competition from other very wealthy collectors. James Bond would know you as Goldfinger........?
We on the forum appreciate your sharing your collection and wish you the best.
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I don't know where all the coins are but they will come on the market sooner or later. And I won't rest until my set is unimprovable. But that doesn't mean I'm going to get a coin no matter the cost. I have passed on a few coins that would have improved my set.
Btw, I love the acronym you gave yourself.
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You do have a fan base in this forum that shares your collection with you. We are the collectors who only dream of your accomplishments. And if you can MAX out the Saint set on the registry, meaning that you have no coins that do not grade top POP, you have not yet Maxed out with the highest grade possible. You are so very close, please just do not give up. Know that you do have a supporting cast behind you.
That's a very lovely plus upgrade. I appreciate how you have engaged with your fellow collectors very much! Your set is beyond Jupiter and heading for Pluto.
The highest graded coins aren’t always the best or the most desirable. But even if they were, rather than focus on what @EliteCollection doesn’t have, I prefer to admire his collection, as is, and compliment him on what he’s accomplished.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.