Thoughts on whether to try for crossover.
HillbillyCollector
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Hello all,
Brand new here and would like to pose a question. Would you think that this coin would cross to PCGS?
The grade is AU-55, as I just realized that it wasn’t in the pic.
Thoughts?
HB
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Gold is not my area but I see plenty of luster and nothing that would keep it from crossing. I would think it would be good to go. Also looks like CAC agrees with the grade.
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Beautiful coin, dude. Yes, definitely. Esp with the Green Bean. It is an older NGC slab, so you might be in for a surprise?
It not only may cross but receive an upgrade, as well?
I'd do it in a heartbeat! 💓
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Let us know your decision and/or results.
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Thanks for your thoughts,
I have been somewhat confused with NGC/CAC vs PCGS/CAC. Most PCGS/CAC coins auctioned, that I research, seem to top the NGC/CAC coins in the same grade. I really don’t understand why this is, assuming CAC uses the same standards across both companies, should not the coins be very similar, all things considered, and thus more close in price?
I am fairly new to coin collecting and just recently stumbled on to this site. I have enjoyed reading posts and have learned quite a bit during the few days I have been here.
Hope to continue to learn more as I continue, in the near future.
HB
Wait for PC to have an NGC crossover special.
I’d say it would cross
@HillbillyCollector, there's that old saying "buy the coin, not the holder." But a lot of people care about plastic to varying degrees. I do, because I happen to have a PCGS registry set for my capped bust half dimes. Others like the OGH (Old Green Holders) and various incarnations of ANACS ("soapbars"), NGC, and PCGS. Some had doilies. Others had the letter "W" for "White" coins. Loose holders were called "rattlers." It's all confusing to me.
Generally, though, it's true that PCGS is valued higher than NGC in the market.
And it's also true that the CAC bean has value - so you'll need to know that, in order to get that back, you need to resubmit the (newly slabbed PCGS) coin to CAC. And even if it crosses at the same grade, CAC will treat that as a brand new submission, so the bean isn't automatic. And currently, CAC's only tier is the $35 tier.
And just a postscript on the CAC submissions: if a person has a CAC'd slab and they send that coin in to the TPG (e.g., for an attribution to be added), and the coin comes back in the same slab number with the same grade - then CAC will accept that as a "resticker" for a much lower fee. I mention this in case someone who likes variety attributions (or wants a Gold Shield slab to replace a scuffed up older slab) is worried about permanent loss of the green bean. Obviously, this doesn't apply to a cross like @HillbillyCollector is considering.
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wonderful coin- I would leave it as it is. Some coins have the look... and this likely is one. Can't positively say as the image is just not great.
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I would leave it in the NGC holder.
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what is your "goal"
keep it? .... keep in current holder
keep it and PCGS registry - pay to cross & resticker
sell it? ... compare price differences for same PCGS/CAC and NGC/CAC ... is the difference worth the additional cost to you to cross & resticker & multiple postage/insurance costs & your time/effort to do so ?
only you can make that decision ... good luck and welcome
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I would believe it will cross.
I would leave it in the holder and stay here (welcome, by the way) Study, ask questions, figure out what you want to collect. If registry is not important then that’s a nice older ngc holder and with a bean.
At first I really wanted to do something, anything just because I had the desire to collect and made some mistakes. Buying and such without using this wonderful forum for reference. There are a number of apps pcgs and ngc have great information available. Get a Redbook. $15 on eBay and really worth ten times that.
I had to learn the coin was not going anywhere and as it turned out my focus became other coins but didn’t effect the coin, like yours, I was considering crossing over.
Enjoy, collect what you like and develop a keen eye and the slab won’t matter as much. I have great coins in all of the big 3 tpg. Pcgs, ngc and anacs.
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If it's already been peer reviewed twice, by NGC and CAC, I don't see why pcgs wouldn't cross it... Kepe in mind you will probably lose the sticker and have to resubmit for it, which isn't guaranteed. Maybe if you can prove it's the same coin somehow? Don't know.
As for should you, that's up to you. Is it worth the extra cost to change tpg?
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I honestly don’t know if there’s a difference in value for this coin in an NGC or pcgs 55 holder, but the way it would be worth while doing the crossover is having the coin upgrade to a pcgs 58 holder. So on the submission form just set min cross grade at 58 to actually gain something on the cross.
If you don’t think it’ll upgrade, don’t do the crossover
Cac coins are almost guaranteed to cross you shouldn’t have a problem
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Without going into the cost of and the 'is it worth it' or not you should get the CAC sticker back if it crosses at grade or lower.
Before sending in to crossover take a picture of both sides of coin (decent, in focus pictures where the coin and slab can be clearly visible). Save your crossover paperwork and results.
When sending to CAC for a new sticker review, note on the CAC form that the coin was previously CAC approved as (give NGC cert number). For me and a couple of others this is all that I/we have sent in and 100% have got a new sticker.
However, some also recommend that you send in the previous noted photos and the crossover paperwork. OR perhaps this could be noted on form and sent in if requested by CAC and/or done via email.
Now this does not 100% guarantee a new sticker but so far it has worked.
Note: Reason it might not work - coin changed in holder since CAC approved or they missed something the first time (don't know how they would work with you on that since in new holder now), potential for a light scratch on re-holder or similar.
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There are many accounts of people attempting to cross coins from NGC to PCGS and PCGS to NGC that have a CAC sticker that fail to cross at grade, the magic bean is not almighty in this area.
There is a strong bias in some parts of the market, some collectors/dealers and especially on a company chat room like this when the discussion of best TPG arises, so just keep that in mind when you evaluate the replies you get. I personally would not bother with any type of crossing unless you plan or need to sell the coin quickly. Do not forget the risk of loss you take when shipping a valuable coin, and the costs to do so.
Also if you are not an authorized CAC submitter you will have to find someone that can resubmit the coin to CAC assuming you are successful in getting it crossed. And it is no slam dunk that you will receive CAC approval again as the coin would be reevaluated.
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The coin is already in a major TPG holder and has a green bean. How much more would it be worth if it were in a PCGS holder in the same grade with a green bean? The photos aren't good enough to make any call so far as straight crossover goes.
Not alot of current auction data, but history shows some general value difference between N and P
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I like it and wouldn't really care what holder it's in. As mentioned above, holder preference depends largely on if/where you have a registry set.
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As others have already stated, it depends on your individual goals. Are your other coins in pcgs holders? Are you a registry player? Do you not like the fact that the old NGC holder hides the rim of the coin? Pcgs/cac often brings more money if you were selling it soon, but you’d have to consider your costs to go that route and see if it makes sense financially. Even cac gold often fails to cross, and you’d probably have a better shot sending it in raw if it didn’t cross on the first round.
They treat it as a whole new submission? I thought that I’d heard other forum members state that after a successful cross, they send photos of the coin in its old holder with the cert information and JA basically just reapplies the sticker to the new slab. Might have been @winesteven, but I could be wrong.
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Most of the time it will work that way, but not guaranteed. I prefer to consider all the angles not just the herd mentality of "sure it will get a new sticker". As an example, not that long ago someone posted a coin that from the before and after photos it sure did appear that a spot had been removed while in for grading. The member who posted that coin said he did not ask for any type of conservation, but it did look different. Not my coin and I have no idea what if anything happened to it, but would something along that line change the visual appeal of the coin enough to no longer be awarded the bean? Food for thought.
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@HillbillyCollector... Welcome aboard. Although the pictures are dark and slightly blurry, I think the coin would likely cross. The question remains, what is your motive? Will the cost justify the result? Let us know what you do.... and if resubmitted, the results. Cheers, RickO
After reading replies and thinking some more myself, I have decided not to attempt any crosses at this time.
I am not participating in any register sets, thus not a motivating factor.
I also don’t have any plans to sell in the near future and actually want to continue to accumulated Type 1-3 20s, as these are my favorite coins.
I do have both NG and PC coins and they are all CACs. I wasn’t really considering the hassle in crossing AND then attempting the additional trip back to CAC. Seems like a major hassle.
Thanks to all the comments, which helped me to decide to keep as is.
HB
If CAC grading company does well and the market responds favorably submitting to them might be your best option in the future.
Hard to really assess from the images provided but based solely on what I can see, unless it looks a lot nicer in hand, I'd leave it in the holder.
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I don’t see any upside to trying to cross to PCGS. I’d leave it in the current holder.
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That’s a pretty coin. If it was was mine I’d be believing it would cross but wouldn’t want to send it off to find out due to shipping risks and wait times.
No it’s just fine where it is. Wouldn’t you lose the CAC sticker?
As far as cross that’s for our hosts to decide. Not conjecture in a blog.
CAC CPG is $4500. Non CAC CPG $3750. No way would I throw away $750 on the holder game. It’s a nice coin for its AU55 grade and JA agrees. If somebody tries to BS you it’s worth less bc of holder just ask them if they have one sell you at that LOL. Shuts them up every time.
Then worry about it in the mail a big ticket coin like that? Not for me. Would keep as it is. It’s an inventory Cornerstone 5 star recruit!
While the pics aren’t super clear, it looks like a nice coin with original skin and plenty of luster to easily crossover, if getting it into PCGS plastic is the primary intent. Unless you’re delving into the registry game, I’d personally leave it as is.
It is beautiful as is. Leave it in the NGC holder and don't risk the round trip.
PCGS only allows their slabs in their registry, therefore collectors in PCGS registry will indeed pay more for the plastic.