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Scratched 1865 Liberty Seated Dime-- How Bad Is This?

AvocetAvocet Posts: 226 ✭✭✭✭

My friend @asheland and I have debated the significance of the rim scratches in this 1865 10c example. I appreciate this coin, especially considering its strike, skin, and rarity, but the scratches seem distracting/detracting. The coin has a fascinating history, and it was once a part of a very nice collection of mint-state 1865 seated liberties and belonged to one collector for many years. What do you think? Is the grade generous? Thanks for your comments.

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  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I presume the scratches are within the bounds of the grading standards but, once seen those scratches cannot be unseen...

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Despite the scratches, it’s still an excellent coin! 👍

  • gtstanggtstang Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Large pics, small coin. I don't believe it would look like a terrible issue when viewing in hand.

  • AvocetAvocet Posts: 226 ✭✭✭✭

    @Aotearoa said:
    I presume the scratches are within the bounds of the grading standards but, once seen those scratches cannot be unseen...

    I like the way you put this-- once you identify a concern with a coin, the concern tends to hang-on. Interestingly, the scratches are focused primarily on a raised position of the rim that is asymmetric, a bit like an off-center die. I wonder how graders deal with that kind of thing.....

  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭

    Looks to me like a RPD. Like a 5 over tilted 5. Maybe it is just clash remnants from the wreath on the back. Very nice coin even with the scratch.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2023 10:54AM

    a nice looking coin with a LOT of damage.

    i didn't give it an A+ effort but there are a good amount of digs on the coin as well as lady liberty having pretty decent vertical scratch(es).

    i'm thinking if one were to tilt the coin in the right light, a lot of contact marks would, you know, come to light. ;)

    kinda looks like a bit of a tilted collar error MAYBE since k8-k10 has the rim fin and then the corresponding k2-k4 collar clashing.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The biggest problem is the assigned grade of MS64. The coin looks to me like an AU55 as there is wear on the high points.

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  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Like stated, small coin large pics really show details. In hand I'm sure it doesn't look quite as bad. The enlarged pics makes me thing it should've been a 63 instead of a 64. Jmo

  • AvocetAvocet Posts: 226 ✭✭✭✭

    Great comments -- I also feel the grading may be generous here, considering luster and eye appeal, for example. I am fascinated with the Fortin 101B variety match -- the coin does appear to have RPD, and the die clashes are a perfect match for the Fortin 101B variety. The 101B variety may add to the rarity of this example. I am grateful for the thoughts of the experts on this forum....

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first impression was MS63.... and after further study, I will stick with that. Cheers, RickO

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    The left rim looks like it's been filed. That might not be the case, but the signs are there.

    I like the coin, but not as an MS-64. It's got to have more luster than what is showing in the photos. From what I see, I'd be in the AU-58 to MS-61 camp with a boost for eye appeal.

    I agree looks like filing or a rim scrape. Not sure how it's a MS64.

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  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the coin and if there is more luster than what appears, then I wouldn’t fret over the grade.

    On such a small coin, the rim issue would likely not bother me.

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  • jedmjedm Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In my opinion the rim scratches are insignificant. That one's got great eye appeal to me and I think the graders thought so too.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's graded, slabbed, nothing's gonna change. I like it. Peace Roy

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2023 2:17PM

    MS 70 is perfect this coin is not.

    It’s not PQ IMO. Nice looking Average Quality 64. Would price at 64 CPG $4200 ish - hopefully have lots of room for negotiation. Not a bad piece to fill the hole in a type set.

    Looking at it actual size - overall I like it.

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  • Beautiful Seated Lib, did you notice what they sold for yesterday, definitely makes yours a timely purchase well made before the Bender dime auction.

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dang those are recent. So sorry.

  • AvocetAvocet Posts: 226 ✭✭✭✭

    @1904vernacular said:
    Beautiful Seated Lib, did you notice what they sold for yesterday, definitely makes yours a timely purchase well made before the Bender dime auction.

    I have been watching those--- I am grateful to have this 1865 Liberty Seated Dime for sure :)

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