What Will Be The Top APR For 2023

lilolme

I was looking through the PCGS Jan-Feb magazine and it has an article on the top 20 APR's for 2022. According to the article in the top spot was the:
1821 Capped Bust Half Eagle, PCGS PR65CAM at $4,620,000. (HA Sept 2022)

With the recent APR for the 1870-S $3 SP50 (engraved) of $5,520,000. (Jan 2023) it would have been the top APR for 2022.

Do you think this will be the top APR for 2023 or will there be another to come along and get the top APR for 2023?
Of course this is just guess work and perhaps it falls into the who cares category.
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On a side note the article listed 15 of the top 20 APR's for 2022 sold by HA and 5 by SB. Correct?

ricko

Just depends on what hits the market. If a super rarity - like the 1870-S $3 SP50 (engraved) - or even more rare hits the auction block, it could easily break that record. There are some deep pockets out there... Cheers, RickO

lilolme

@ricko said:
Just depends on what hits the market. If a super rarity - like the 1870-S $3 SP50 (engraved) - or even more rare hits the auction block, it could easily break that record. There are some deep pockets out there... Cheers, RickO

Yes on the 'just depends on what hits the market' and what I kind of meant by guesswork. I kind of think that this $5,520,000. might be the high APR for 2023 just due to limited number of coins that could sell above that amount and then would need to be auctioned and not sold privately.

I expected HA to have the most top APR but was a little surprised at 75% of them (15 of 20) and then all the other auction companies not getting any except SB.

lilolme

Initially I did not think this unique 1873-CC dime would make it. But watching some bidding and with it currently sitting at a hammer price of $ 3,000,000 (or $ 3,600,000. all in) it could have a chance. Still thinking it will fall short but some of the live bidding has been quite active.

Would need to get to $ 4,600,000. hammer for the $ 5,520,000. all in.

The half dime went from hammer of $ 1,725,000. to hammer $ 2,600,000. So the 1873-CC would need even more live bidding. That is assuming it does not jump up more before tomorrow's live bidding. Which it could.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-half-dimes/half-dimes/1870-s-h10c-ms64-pcgs-cac-pcgs-4397-/a/1356-3341.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

lilolme

1873-CC Dime (no arrows) unique - Hammer at $ 3,000,000.
So all in at $ 3,600,000.
No live auction bids. Hmmm...

https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-dimes/dimes/1873-cc-10c-no-arrows-ms65-pcgs-pcgs-4661-/a/1356-3671.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

With this FUN auction HA already (most likely) has many top APR's for 2023.

lilolme

Just auctioned 3 more million $ plus and from Jim O'Neal collection

50c Flowing hair 1794 O-101a MS64+ Hammer $ 1,500,000. all in at $ 1,800,000.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half-dollars/half-dollars/1794-50c-o-101a-t-7-r3-ms64-pcgs-cac-pcgs-39201-/a/1356-3698.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

50c Draped bust 1796 O-102 16 stars MS66 Hammer $ 1,500,000. all in at $ 1,800,000.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half-dollars/half-dollars/1796-50c-16-stars-o-102-t-2-high-r5-ms66-pcgs-amato-200-pcgs-39262-/a/1356-3700.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

50c 1797 O-101a MS65+ Hammer $ 1,300,000. all in at $ 1,560,000.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half-dollars/half-dollars/1797-50c-o-101a-t-1-high-r4-ms65-pcgs-cac-amato-400-pcgs-39265-/a/1356-3701.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

lilolme

Okay I know you are probably tire of seeing this thread pop to the top but thought I would try to sum up the $1M.

Looking back some more $1M plus lots from HA FUN / Bass
Added some links above to previous lots if anyone wants to see lot(s) or future reference. (hope all correct)
I think it is ten $1M (plus) lots sold at 2023 FUN/Bass. (but I could be missing)
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$20 Saint 1907 Small Edge lettering PR68 Hammer $ 1,400,000. all in $ 1,680,000.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/saint-gaudens-double-eagles/double-eagles/1907-saint-20-small-edge-lettering-pr68-pcgs-cac-jd-1-r8-pcgs-9198-/a/1356-3965.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Bass
$10 1795 9 Leaves (BD-3 R6) MS64 Hammer $ 1,750,000. all in $ 2,100,000.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-eagles/eagles/1795-10-9-leaves-bd-3-r6-ms64-pcgs-pcgs-45714-/a/1355-9058.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

Bass
$2 1/2 1835 (R7 as a Proof) PR67 Deep Cameo Hammer $ 1,000,000. all in $ 1,200,000.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/classic-quarter-eagles/quarter-eagles/1835-2-1-2-hm-1-jd-1-high-r7-as-a-proof-pr67-deep-cameo-pcgs-pcgs-97711-/a/1355-9011.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

Bass
$10 1798/7 7x6 Stars (BD2 R6) MS62 Hammer $ 925,000 all in $ 1,110,000.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-eagles/eagles/1798-7-10-7x6-stars-bd-2-r6-ms62-pcgs-pcgs-45721-/a/1355-9061.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

Bass (and to keep together)
$3 1870-S SP50 (893 engraved) Hammer $ 4,600,000. all in $ 5,520,000.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/three-dollar-gold-pieces/three-and-four-dollar-gold/1870-s-3-sp50-893-engraved-pcgs-unique-pcgs-7992-/a/1355-9013.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

LanceNewmanOCC

i have some guesses but i really need to do some legwork to see when the last time either the examples i was thinking of sold or a different example of the same type/denom/grade. i'm not entirely certain i'm going to get to it in a reasonable time frame though. i was/am considering about half a dozen examples.

i will say after doing a lil bit of work on it that when i look to see the 1933 saint NOT at the top of the list, really maybe even a couple/few slots down, kinda blows my mind now to think about it. that coin has virtually everything that high-end buyers would want going for it. (except some mild risk the gov would swoop in under some guise or another)

as to your question about heritage/sb, i don't know but i do know that heritage hasn't sold all the highest priced realized coins. a lot but not all.

JUST to confirm since you emphatically specify APR, private treaties do not count? if not, i understand as we really are taking the word of certain parties in those instances.

also, just to verify, strictly us coins? (i've seen some foreign stuff with some 7 figure results i'm pretty sure)

edited to add:

that is odd. why don't i recall this hammer price as it wasn't that long ago!

(not sure if elite will put it back up for sale but not likely as stated probably only getting rid of dupes)

1933 $20 just shy of $19 mil
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/1933-20/9195/7781305912275707553

LanceNewmanOCC

just did some more checking and not many of the top choices of mine have even sold at heritage, ever. weird i never really noticed it was that many until now.

but here is one that could be up there if it pops back into the available category. $20 1861 MS67 paquet rev. sold 2021 for $7.2 all-in.

i was thinking about one of the $1 1804 Proof Dollars class l - The Sultan of Muscat-Watters-Brand-Childs-Pogue example.

these are really just guesses as studying some of the top registries and when certain coins sold could eliminate some choices.

the result of the 70-s $3 really puts into perspective it's hammer size once you try to find coins that could out-value it in 2023! (good topic choice @lilolme )

sheesh, whatever you do, don't do a search engine search for the most valueable coins to try and come up with ideas as 90% of that info is obviously done by those that don't know what they are doing. almost as bad next in line are youtube videos as if that even needed to be said.

edited to add: i'll have to think about patterns next.

Raybo

What's APR?
Why does everything have to be abbreviated now a days? Please just take a little more time and spell it out.

LanceNewmanOCC

@Raybo said:
What's APR?
Why does everything have to be abbreviated now a days? Please just take a little more time and spell it out.

auction prices realized, in this context, it is a rather large part of the pcgs machine with a HUUUUUGE database of collections sold as well as the pieces/prices and sometimes pics.

LanceNewmanOCC

ok

i'll offer up a couple more choices

a birch cent or perhaps some iteration of j1, j2 etc. (almost always fan favorites)

i had another good choice but too many tabs and it is too late. i'm spent.

lilolme

It looks like by the end of the week there will be another $1M plus coin (HA) to add to the list for this year. With the Lincoln at GC earlier that will be 12 (unless I missed some) so far this year. Per the noted pcgs article there were 15 all of last year (and 4 at 900K or more). So it would appear the top of the market is alive. Of course it could all stop / end and no more for the year.

291fifth

The top selling item for 2023 will be one of the corroded and damaged coins displayed on this forum by new collectors. The experienced experts here will fail to recognize its importance until it sets a new auction record.

lilolme

So the next $1M plus coin just auctioned at HA. This makes 12 I believe this year including the recent GC Lincoln lot.

Bender Part III
Lot Number: 3671
1855-S $3 PR64 Cameo PCGS. CAC. JD-1, unique as a proof.
Hammer $ 1,800,000. All in at $ 2,160,000.

lilolme

Back again.
Two more million dollar plus via the Bass part 3 through Heritage auctions tonight (May 4). But neither came close to the above previous high for this year.
I think it is now 14 million $ plus for the year (but I could have easily missed some)

Both coins started the live auction around 500K but then....

First one hammered at $1,450,000. ($1,740,000. all in)
1824/1 Capped Head Left Quarter Eagle, PR67
BD-1, JD-1, Only Dies for the Date
Only Proof in Private Hands
https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-early-quarter-eagles/1824-1-2-1-2-bd-1-r5-pr67-pcgs-jd-1-r8-as-a-proof-pcgs-7678-/a/1359-4510.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Second one hammered at $2,400,000. ($2,880,000. all in)
1829 Capped Head Left Half Eagle, PR66+
Large Diameter, Large Date, BD-1
Only Two Proofs Known
https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-early-half-eagles/1829-5-large-diameter-large-date-bd-1-r7-pr66-pcgs-jd-1-r8-as-a-proof-pcgs-519944-/a/1359-4562.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

Heritage had about 8 hours of live auction with session 2 and then 3 (Bass). Ugh.

lilolme

And this one was over the million $ plus level some time ago. It was just a matter of where the final number would be.
So that is at least 15 million $ plus for 2023 (plus any I could have easily missed).

It was on last years million $ plus list having sold at Heritage Jan 2022 for $ 3,360,000. (all in)

1795 Capped Bust Right Eagle, MS63+
Rare 9 Leaves, BD-3 Variety
Finest-Certified Example
Ex: Pogue

It took a little bit of a auction price beating this time from the above previous number.

So it was back at auction tonight at GC. The hammer was $ 2,410,000. ($ 2,651,000. all in using a 10% buyer fee)
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PS - Sold at Stacks back in Sept 2015 as part of Pogue sale for $ 1,057,500.

GRANDAM

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Catbert

Of course, there are likely private transactions that you'll not likely be able to include in your running tabulation.

ctf_error_coins

@Raybo said:
What's APR?
Why does everything have to be abbreviated now a days? Please just take a little more time and spell it out.

I thought Annual Percentage Rate.

Then I thought to myself, I may have it with the huge raw error coin lot I bought.

Then I read what the OP meant.

lilolme

@Catbert said:
Of course, there are likely private transactions that you'll not likely be able to include in your running tabulation.

As you said 'Of course'. But this was/is about APR's. What got me started was as noted in the OP, a pcgs article on 2022 top APR's combined with the early 2023 auction of over $5M and thinking it might be the largest for 2023 as it would have been top for 2022. This happening in the first couple weeks of 2023. Then when the other nine 1 million $ plus hit early on, in Jan, it was curious since there were only 15 all of last year (a few just missed though). So I thought if I saw one I would note it.

https://www.pcgs.com/news/pcgs-graded-top-20-most-valuable-us-coins-sold-in-2022

It might be roughly similar to someone asking 'What is this worth' and some saying guides are guides but check the auction results (or eBay....). There are likely many private transactions but more difficult to know those. Unless one is the buyer, seller or has some confirmed (private) information. So APR's it is.

Catbert

Wasn't thinking of eBay transactions, but whale private transactions - think Elite Collection and his working with Heritage to buy high end saints or clients of Laura Sperber, etc.

lilolme

@Catbert said:
Wasn't thinking of eBay transactions, but whale private transactions - think Elite Collection and his working with Heritage to buy high end saints or clients of Laura Sperber, etc.

I totally understand that. I was giving an example of how private transactions are unknown. But again those don't matter because as noted this and the previous pcgs article are about APR's. Somewhat often someone might post about an auction result (AU walker sets record, S.B. red cents go big, toned Morgan big $....) and on most all of these one could say - Of course we don't know about private transactions. So then, back to the auction theme and comparisons. Again just tracking the APR's over a million and in relation to the previous pcgs article about 2022 top APR (which was also noting they were all pcgs and the real intent of that article).

Cougar1978

It’s anybody’s guess. Especially when you have wealthy buyers bidding on big ticket material. Perhaps somebody needs a certain key date and will bid up whatever it takes.

lilolme

Got a HA advertisement brochure for ANA auction and it had a short paragraph on the last Bass part 4. Mentioned this $20 1907 PR69 extremely high relief / ultra high relief as one lot. Could it be a contender for the top auction lot of 2023 ($5,520,000 so far)? PC guide is $5M.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1907-20-extremely-high-relief-inverted-edge-letters/9132

https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-high-relief-double-eagles/1907-20-ultra-high-relief-lettered-edge-pr69-pcgs-pcgs-9131-/p/1363-11099.s?ic5=CatalogHome-MostPopular-Thumbnail-112917

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And also a $5 1829 PR66+ CAM small size. This pc# is not listed in the price guide but does have a coinfacts page. Similar ones are PC guide around $4M and a 1825/4/1 PR67 CAM one sold at SB in 2022 for about that number. Would need an extra push to go for the top but might go the other way.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1829-5-small-size-cam/88163

https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half-eagles/coming-soon-/p/1363-11114.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

https://www.pcgs.com/prices/detail/capped-bust-5/59/most-active

Might get lucky and I will forget about it later.

lilolme

And coming out of the Heritage auction of the Bass part IV (the last one for Bass) is three more APR's over the million $ mark.
Looking above it was at 15 (plus any I missed), so now at 18 APR's over $1M for the year (which outdoes last year).
Without the Bass sale, it would be a rather low count so far.
A couple of higher ones this time in the $4M zone but none above that early one in Jan ($5,520,000.).
Hopefully no typo's.

Hammer $1,650,000. (all in $1,980,000)
1798 Capped Bust Right Half Eagle, AU53
Small Eagle, BD-1
Famous Early U.S. Gold Rarity
Ex: Eliasberg-Bass
1798 $5 Small Eagle, BD-1, R.7, AU53 PCGS

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https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half-eagles/1798-5-small-eagle-bd-1-r7-au53-pcgs-pcgs-507321-/a/1363-9030.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
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Hammer $3,200,000. (all in $3,840,000.)
1829 Capped Head Left Half Eagle, PR66+ Cameo
Extremely Rare Small Date Variety, BD-2
Only Proof in Private Hands
Ex: Farouk-Norweb-Bass1829 $5 Small Size PR66+ Cameo PCGS. CAC. BD-2, R.7, JD-1, R.8 as a Proof.

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https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-early-half-eagles/1829-5-small-size-pr66-cameo-pcgs-cac-bd-2-r7-jd-1-r8-as-a-proof/a/1363-9061.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
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Hammer $3,600,000. (all in $4,320,000.)
1907 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle, PR69
Saint-Gaudens' Numismatic Masterpiece
Landmark Gold Rarity, Tied for Finest Known
Ex: Eliasberg-Bass
1907 $20 Ultra High Relief, Inverted Edge Lettering, PR69 PCGS. Judd-1909, Pollock-2003, JD-4, High R.7.

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https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-high-relief-double-eagles/1907-20-ultra-high-relief-inverted-edge-lettering-pr69-pcgs-judd-1909-pollock-2003-jd-4-high-r7-pcgs-/a/1363-9082.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

lilolme

Missed one from Stacks but saw an ad on it. From Aug 16.
Sold $1,080,000. (all in)

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-13VM4L/1870-cc-liberty-head-eagle-winter-1-a-au-58-pcgs-cac

Manifest_Destiny

Neat thread to read, thanks for keeping up with it.

lilolme

The $1 million plus may be over for 2023 (I hope ). Below is a summary of the stuff from above in this thread plus the latest one.
I may have missed some as I don't watch that closely. I did see some foreign coins that sold over the $1M mark but I did not go there. Hopefully typos are to a minimum.
As it has turned out that initial OP coin maintained the top APR (so far) for 2023 from what I have summarized.

$ 5,520,000. $3 1870 S SP50 Heritage Jan 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/three-dollar-gold-pieces/1870-s-3-sp50-893-engraved-pcgs-unique-pcgs-7992-/a/1355-9013.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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$ 4,320,000. 1907 $20 Ultra High Relief, Inverted Edge Lettering, PR69 Judd-1909, Pollock-2003, JD-4 Heritage Aug 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-high-relief-double-eagles/1907-20-ultra-high-relief-inverted-edge-lettering-pr69-pcgs-judd-1909-pollock-2003-jd-4-high-r7-pcgs-/a/1363-9082.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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$ 3,840,000. 1829 Capped Head Left Half Eagle, PR66+ Cameo Small Date Variety, BD-2 Heritage Aug 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-early-half-eagles/1829-5-small-size-pr66-cameo-pcgs-cac-bd-2-r7-jd-1-r8-as-a-proof/a/1363-9061.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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$ 3,600,000. 10c 1873 CC no arrows MS65 Heritage Jan 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-dimes/dimes/1873-cc-10c-no-arrows-ms65-pcgs-pcgs-4661-/a/1356-3671.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

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$ 3,120,000. H10c 1870 s MS64 Heritage Jan 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-half-dimes/half-dimes/1870-s-h10c-ms64-pcgs-cac-pcgs-4397-/a/1356-3341.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

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$ 2,880,000. $5 1829 Capped Head Left Half Eagle, PR66+ Large Diameter, Large Date, BD-1 Heritage May 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-early-half-eagles/1829-5-large-diameter-large-date-bd-1-r7-pr66-pcgs-jd-1-r8-as-a-proof-pcgs-519944-/a/1359-4562.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

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Sorry use coinfacts/ auction prices a lot and GC does not show up there and did not feel like searching this one out.
$2,651,000. (Hammer $2,410,000. used 10% buyer fee but GC may record as 12.5%) Great Collections May 2023
HA prior information from Jan 2022 (were it sold for $3,360,000.)
1795 Capped Bust Right Eagle, MS63+ Rare 9 Leaves, BD-3 Variety Finest-Certified Example Ex: Pogue

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$ 2,160,000. $3 1855-S PR64 Cameo JD-1, unique as a proof. Heritage Feb 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-three-dollar-gold-pieces/1855-s-3-pr64-cameo-pcgs-cac-jd-1-unique-as-a-proof/a/1357-3671.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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$ 2,100,000. $10 1795 9 Leaves (BD-3 R6) MS64 Heritage Jan 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-eagles/eagles/1795-10-9-leaves-bd-3-r6-ms64-pcgs-pcgs-45714-/a/1355-9058.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

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$1,980,000. $5 1798 Capped Bust Right Half Eagle, AU53 Small Eagle, BD-1 Heritage Aug 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half-eagles/1798-5-small-eagle-bd-1-r7-au53-pcgs-pcgs-507321-/a/1363-9030.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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$ 1,800,000. 50c Flowing hair 1794 O-101a MS64+ Heritage Jan 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half-dollars/half-dollars/1794-50c-o-101a-t-7-r3-ms64-pcgs-cac-pcgs-39201-/a/1356-3698.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

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$ 1,800,000. 50c Draped bust 1796 O-102 16 stars MS66 Heritage Jan 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half-dollars/half-dollars/1796-50c-16-stars-o-102-t-2-high-r5-ms66-pcgs-amato-200-pcgs-39262-/a/1356-3700.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

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$ 1,740,000. 1824/1 Capped Head Left Quarter Eagle, PR67 BD-1, JD-1 Heritage May 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-early-quarter-eagles/1824-1-2-1-2-bd-1-r5-pr67-pcgs-jd-1-r8-as-a-proof-pcgs-7678-/a/1359-4510.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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$ 1,680,000. $20 Saint 1907 Small Edge lettering PR68 Heritage Jan 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/saint-gaudens-double-eagles/double-eagles/1907-saint-20-small-edge-lettering-pr68-pcgs-cac-jd-1-r8-pcgs-9198-/a/1356-3965.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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$ 1,560,000. 50c 1797 O-101a MS65+ Heritage Jan 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half-dollars/half-dollars/1797-50c-o-101a-t-1-high-r4-ms65-pcgs-cac-amato-400-pcgs-39265-/a/1356-3701.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

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$ 1,200,000. $2 1/2 1835 (R7 as a Proof) PR67 Deep Cameo Heritage Jan 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/classic-quarter-eagles/quarter-eagles/1835-2-1-2-hm-1-jd-1-high-r7-as-a-proof-pr67-deep-cameo-pcgs-pcgs-97711-/a/1355-9011.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

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$1,110,000. $10 1798/7 7x6 Stars (BD2 R6) MS62 Heritage Jan 2023
https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-eagles/eagles/1798-7-10-7x6-stars-bd-2-r6-ms62-pcgs-pcgs-45721-/a/1355-9061.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

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$ 1,080,000. $10 1870-CC Liberty Head Eagle. Winter 1-A. AU-58 Stacks Bowers Aug 2023
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-13VM4L/1870-cc-liberty-head-eagle-winter-1-a-au-58-pcgs-cac

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$1,023,000. 1796 Draped Bust Half Dollar 15 Stars O-101 SP65 Great Collections Nov 2023
From the other thread.
(Hammer $930,000. using 10% buyers fee but GC may record 12.5%)
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1464625/

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Sorry I use coinfacts / auction prices a lot and the GC do not show up there and didn't feel like searching this one out.
Information from post above.
$ 1 Million plus 1c Blay Lincoln GC