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GTG 1870 Half Dime GRADE posted

gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 3, 2023 3:07PM in U.S. Coin Forum


There is a die clash and some scuffing on the holder. Die polish lines galore.

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  • PR64

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 5:01PM

    Since it is not the coin I remember, I'll guess. It does compare favorably to a PL example I had in an old no line fatty (undesignated obviously) in a 64 holder. I'll guess MS64.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Proof 62

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 5:05PM

    I’ll guess MS (edited to 63).

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  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 836 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The toning echoes the tone of "Silent Night" if that makes sense, like looking out at a nighttime snowfall just before going to sleep.

    I think this is more likely an MS coin that spent time in an old paper envelope. It should have flashy, almost prooflike luster. I'm not sure what grade I'd guess on it, but I suspect the coin is AU-58 or MS-62.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @The_Dinosaur_Man It does have proof like luster. Its a very tough coin to photograph especially in the holder.

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  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whatever the grade, I really like the look of this one. The reverse looks fully proof like, and I believe it’s a business strike. MS64.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's a different angle that captures some of how it looks. None of the photos actually look as nice as the coin does.

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  • DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ill go PR64 on this one

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PR64. Nice coin.

  • dhikewhitneydhikewhitney Posts: 361 ✭✭✭

    MS65

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Despite the number of “Proof” guesses, based on the strike, die-clashing and what look to be obverse die-cracks, I can’t see the coin as a Proof.

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  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS64

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS63

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  • @gumby1234 said:

    Here's a different angle that captures some of how it looks. None of the photos actually look as nice as the coin does.

    I like this photo best. Would you also be able to provide an obverse ?
    Thanks

  • JRGeyerJRGeyer Posts: 128 ✭✭✭

    PR-63

  • Based on the new photo, I am going to switch to MS64.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 10:50PM

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  • My guess would be , now old ngc ms63, but today upgrade to ms64 imo of course.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let's get some more guesses in. I will reveal sometime today.

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  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe ms64 proof like

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks better in the subsequent pictures than the OP. So I will upgrade to MS63. Cheers, RickO

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko the second set of pics you can't see the die polish is probably why. I can see clash marks in the second set. None of these pics compare to how nice the coin really looks. Mirrored fields. Sharp detail and nice blue toning.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234... OK, coin photography is not easy, though several members make it seem so with the incredible pictures they post. Look forward to the reveal. Cheers, RickO

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko yes this being so small, so shiny, and in the slab makes it very tough. A member here actually took those first photos. Way better than I could do.
    No correct guesses on the grade so far.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PF64 Cameo

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe it's just me but I see a die clashed coin with breaks on the obverse... I'll go MS64...

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic yes die clashed obv and rev with lots of die polish as well. Probably to try and get rid of the clashes.

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  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @ricko the second set of pics you can't see the die polish is probably why. I can see clash marks in the second set. None of these pics compare to how nice the coin really looks. Mirrored fields. Sharp detail and nice blue toning.

    I don't doubt it one bit. Even with the best pictures I can produce after 6 months of practice and trial and error often still can't truly express the beauty of the coin in hand. Capturing what a coin looks like in hand is truly a talent for those that can.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2023 2:12PM

    A couple more pics. I will wait for a few more guesses. Still no correct guesses. Took these in a dark room otherwise you would only get glare.

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  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can we play higher or lower? 😅

    Since I'd be surprised it would be below 58, and no one has guessed, I'll go 66 for the giggles. Since you seem to be wanting to show off the shiny surfaces I'll go with pr.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spyglassdesign OK so its not an AU coin and its also not a proof. It is super "shiny". Both obv and rev have mirrored fields.

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  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @spyglassdesign OK so its not an AU coin and its also not a proof. It is super "shiny". Both obv and rev have mirrored fields.

    I see. Then I'll go with ms66 then (if we are using whole numbers only, ie no stars or plusses.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spyglassdesign There were no pluses or stars way back when this was graded. I've owned this for about 30 years.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok I can't stand waiting much longer. This coin in my opinion should be graded a 64 PL. It will get cracked and submitted some day.


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  • DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    61? Jeez, no wonder you guys like the old soapboxes so much

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    wow... didn't see that one coming! I wonder if the die polish lines were interpreted as contact marks?? Nice coin...

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic Yes I think they were misinterpreted. Definitely a much better coin than the grade. Looks proof when holding the slab in your hand.

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  • JRGeyerJRGeyer Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2023 4:55PM

    I think 1870 is one of the more attractively struck dates in the series, but that strike is particularly good. Some softness is usually seen in the shield or the left side of the wreath.

  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    61... The one or two grades I think no one guessed between ms65 and au58? Sheesh.

    Nice looking coin. I'm sure it looks great in hand!

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @lkenefic Yes I think they were misinterpreted. Definitely a much better coin than the grade. Looks proof when holding the slab in your hand.

    I have to admit how I arrived at MS64... I didnt say proof because of the die clashing and what looked like efforts (die polishing) to remove the clash marks. I didnt think this would be the case for a Proof issue. MS63 was already guessed by several members but it was not correct... so, I didn't go lower than 63 because I thought there's no way it grades lower than that... so I went a point higher. Very nice piece... Congrats!

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