Wheel Mark Details...
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What is "wheel mark" details?
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Here is a good link that explains wheel marks
https://ngccoin.com/news/article/4412/Wheel-Marks/
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Learn something every day! I figured it has something to do with carriage wheels running over a coin 😅
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interesting, i thought wheel marks were limited to the concentric circular marks from the coin roll wrapping machines. didn't know the same process could put PLS onto the high points. neat-o
Good information - one of the great benefits of this forum is the information provided that explains many of the phenomena noted on coins. Pictures provided are extremely helpful as well. Cheers, RickO
Thanks @coinbuf for that link.
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They can be hard to see and can turn a coin you thought was near gem into a loser.
I have a few coins detail graded as having wheel marks and I swear, no matter how much I look, at different angles and different magnifications, I just don't see most of them. Obviously I don't know what to look for. I have read the link to the description above. When I get them back from grading, I usually sell them.
Here is a 1945 S Jefferson Nickel that PCGS labeled as damage by wheelmarks.
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Thank you for posting an interesting thread.
If you collect modern errors you learn about wheel-marks pretty quickly, and NGC really hates them.
I have a question.
So this coin apparently went through a counting machine? What, back in 1908?... If they had them back then, I'd love to see what one looked like. Or a modern coin counting machine??.. Which leads me to my next question; would a 1908 half dollar ever go thru a modern counting machine?
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Here is a coin of mine that got a Details grade for a wheel mark (UNITED). I always thought this was the only type of wheel mark, but I guess I learned something new.
Edited to add: I suppose this one got damaged from a coin wrapping machine, and not a coin counter. I wonder if there are any coins that were unlucky enough to get damaged in both the counting and wrapping processes.
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Based on the location of that scrape just inside the edge of the coin, that looks like a mark from the crimping machine for the end of a shotgun roll rather than the typical patch of hairline scratches from the hard rubber roller in a coin counting machine. They are two different things but they are both PMD-Post Mintage Damage.
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When I struggle to see wheel marks, even with 10x and multiple lighting angles, it can become a coin I'll buy for the Details discount. Presuming I like it otherwise.
Same with cleaning details: if I can't see it, it doesn't bother me what the TPG says. Obviously the market nicks it but presumably you get it cheaper in the first place.
And yes, I know this is blasphemy to many.
Absolutely! I've found multiple Barber halves while looking through bank boxes.
You have found multiple Barber halves while looking through bank boxes....really? When?.. back in 1909? What do Barber halves in boxes have to do with wheel marks?
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Finding them in bank boxes means there are still some going through counting machines.
Really. Okay. So people are still finding Barber halves in boxes today that have gone thru counting machines?...I guess it can happen.
I'm just having a hard time understanding the process and visualizing this happening today with a 1908 half. We all know what modern wheel marks look like on coins from counting machines today.
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It's happened in the last couple months. These coins are inherited, stolen or found while going through a deceased relatives'
belongings and then dumped at a bank or Coinstar by people who have no idea of the value. If this didn't happen with some frequency, there would be no point in coin roll hunting!
Now that works for me. Thanks!
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