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I purchased an OGH on ebay why is there debris inside the slab?

This is my first older slab. Is this common?
Is it possible to crack one open then seal it again.
I'd like to know what's going on here.

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    fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 897 ✭✭✭✭

    Could be some plastic shavings from loose fit rattler. Those proof rims can be razor sharp and some have finned edges. This is why these should be reholdered. Some may say you could loose value with a reholder. Why do you think PCGS retired those slabs long ago ? It's also worth noting that NGC has never used a rattler to my knowledge.

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    You confirmed my thinking.
    I have been told that removing a coin from these holders can devalue the coin. It's a real beauty and likey will get an upgrade so I think I'll crack it out.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fiftysevener said:
    Could be some plastic shavings from loose fit rattler. Those proof rims can be razor sharp and some have finned edges. This is why these should be reholdered. Some may say you could loose value with a reholder. Why do you think PCGS retired those slabs long ago ? It's also worth noting that NGC has never used a rattler to my knowledge.

    PCGS stopped using the first-generation rattler slab because they were being easily counterfeited by a coin dealer who was later caught, prosecuted, and served time in prison. He took high end full luster AU58 coins (known as "super sliders") and put them in his counterfeit slabs with a high MS grade. He did this mostly with Morgan dollars and double eagles.

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    He got what he deserved.

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Watchtower said:
    You confirmed my thinking.
    I have been told that removing a coin from these holders can devalue the coin. It's a real beauty and likey will get an upgrade so I think I'll crack it out.

    Proofs are notoriously hard to grade, especially if you're new to to the hobby. 1942 proof halves usually aren't worth upgrading until you get into the 67 range.

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

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    Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Be prepared to get a shock when you go for a reholder. Many’s the far wiser than I who were sure of an upgrade Problem is there’s no guarantee. If there’s a significant increase in value, maybe but being in a rattler increases the value to those who collect holders. It’s a gamble. I’ve looked at many coins and definitely am not better than the tpg folks. Good luck and keep us posted 😀

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    If I post a good image can you guys offer feedback?
    I agree with your comment 100%.

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,334 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have the same thing, also a 1942 Proof Walker. As said above, the little nibs or whatever that were supposed to keep the coin from rotating break off and float around in the holder.

    Collector, occasional seller

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Watchtower said:
    If I post a good image can you guys offer feedback?
    I agree with your comment 100%.

    We can try, but there's no way to provide a grade for a proof from an image. It would be an informed guess, at best.

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,732 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Watchtower said:
    You confirmed my thinking.
    I have been told that removing a coin from these holders can devalue the coin. It's a real beauty and likey will get an upgrade so I think I'll crack it out.

    Leave it in the holder unless you want to likely lose both money and liquidity. It is likely you do not yet know how to spot money coins.

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    Tom I can't argue with you. Your absolutely right. My big issue here is I don't like the crap floating around in the slab. I'm going to have to sell it if I don't resubmit. I have looked this coin over fairly well. I see two carbon spots and nothing else.
    Anyway let's give it a shot. Just for fun.



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    VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PR65? It does look very good.

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    It is in a 65 holder right now. I convince myself it's a 67 or 68 but honestly as Tom said I don't know enough. I don't see anything aside from those two carbon marks. Not a ding or even a break in luster. Nothing.

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first impression was 64. It looks like there may be hairlines in the right obverse field but I can't be certain.

    Cracking that coin out of a 65 holder would be a big mistake IMO.

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

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    lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So I know these can have planchet marks due to insufficient striking. But some of those marks on the leg don't look like the typical planchet lines. They are more square / triangular and kind of appear to have pushed up metal at the edges like a contact mark. But I don't know and possibly something to look at. Here is the photo enlarged in that area.

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    vulcanizevulcanize Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Had this happen to a couple of my $2.5 that was slabbed by ANACS. It had bits of debris in it and the show representative to whom it was submitted to, had offered to take it back and get them reslabbed.
    Figured it was not worth the hassle and left them inside the storage box and all of it seemed to have settled down and is not as visible anymore.

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bummer!

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No extra charge for the "debris". It makes it more special and more towards...shall we say...unique.

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    TomB I really appreciate your insight and I don't feel slammed at all. I'm learning and buy asking questions and participating in this community I will in time gain experience. I have had many hobbies over the years. This is a relatively new one for me. I imagine if any one of us were to start on the ground floor or let's say wanted to become serious about a hobby we would have no choice but to expose our inexperience so that we could gain the knowledge to surpass our own limits.
    Over a lifetime I have become good at many things but I haven't always enjoyed them. I enjoy coins very much even though some drama is involved. Not now or here on this thread but at other times. Skin thickens over time and nievetty begins to dissipate as I learn. I learned a ton right here in this thread. In the future it won't be necessary to ask this same question for now I know the answer!

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,943 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. 65 on a good day.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Watchtower ... Good advice above. I also recommend selling the coin 'as is' and then buying one that appeals to you more. The OGH is a selling point and it is a nice coin as well. Cheers, RickO

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    GooberGoober Posts: 980 ✭✭✭

    When I first came to this forum I loved the “grade it” posts. I’m definitely not great at grading but as with most I collect what I like. These posts, I believe, help the collector get a good foundation based on what all these people have been saying. It’s a lot of free knowledge from amazing people. Right away I was thinking PR64. As a side note I sat down at my LCS and poured over a box of Morgan’s all 65, and 66. Out of well over 50 coins my eyes pulled out only 65’s. Would I chance sending them off? No, because I except that I have the best of the lot even with the lower grade. But I love just being a collector.

    Prost!

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,166 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fiftysevener said:
    Could be some plastic shavings from loose fit rattler. Those proof rims can be razor sharp and some have finned edges. This is why these should be reholdered. Some may say you could loose value with a reholder. Why do you think PCGS retired those slabs long ago ? It's also worth noting that NGC has never used a rattler to my knowledge.

    Not AFAIK: they were retired because they were being actively counterfeited. First PCGS tried putting a security band around the rattler shell, then they redesigned the holder.

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    fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 897 ✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    Could be some plastic shavings from loose fit rattler. Those proof rims can be razor sharp and some have finned edges. This is why these should be reholdered. Some may say you could loose value with a reholder. Why do you think PCGS retired those slabs long ago ? It's also worth noting that NGC has never used a rattler to my knowledge.

    Not AFAIK: they were retired because they were being actively counterfeited. First PCGS tried putting a security band around the rattler shell, then they redesigned the holder.

    My point was that holders cannot have loose fitting coins that can rotate freely within the slab. PCGS realized this early on. TPGs have also moved forward with security innovations from early on. Nobody would want protective slabs with loose fitting coins and certainly not me.

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    batumibatumi Posts: 797 ✭✭✭✭

    @Watchtower said:
    It is in a 65 holder right now. I convince myself it's a 67 or 68 but honestly as Tom said I don't know enough. I don't see anything aside from those two carbon marks. Not a ding or even a break in luster. Nothing.

    All in all an eye appealing coin. I would leave it in the old holder as imo, with the abrasions on Liberty's leg, I don't see a grade bump.

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