I purchased an OGH on ebay why is there debris inside the slab?
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This is my first older slab. Is this common?
Is it possible to crack one open then seal it again.
I'd like to know what's going on here.
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The old rattler slabs had small tabs inside the inner edge of the coin chamber to keep the coin from rotating in the slab. These small tabs would break off break off and float around the inside of the slab., That's what you are seeing. They are inert and harmless. This is a fairly common occurrence with rattler slabs. Enjoy your coin and don't worry about it. Also, it's extremely difficult to open a PCGS slab without destroying it since they are sonically sealed.
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Could be some plastic shavings from loose fit rattler. Those proof rims can be razor sharp and some have finned edges. This is why these should be reholdered. Some may say you could loose value with a reholder. Why do you think PCGS retired those slabs long ago ? It's also worth noting that NGC has never used a rattler to my knowledge.
You confirmed my thinking.
I have been told that removing a coin from these holders can devalue the coin. It's a real beauty and likey will get an upgrade so I think I'll crack it out.
PCGS stopped using the first-generation rattler slab because they were being easily counterfeited by a coin dealer who was later caught, prosecuted, and served time in prison. He took high end full luster AU58 coins (known as "super sliders") and put them in his counterfeit slabs with a high MS grade. He did this mostly with Morgan dollars and double eagles.
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He got what he deserved.
Proofs are notoriously hard to grade, especially if you're new to to the hobby. 1942 proof halves usually aren't worth upgrading until you get into the 67 range.
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Be prepared to get a shock when you go for a reholder. Many’s the far wiser than I who were sure of an upgrade Problem is there’s no guarantee. If there’s a significant increase in value, maybe but being in a rattler increases the value to those who collect holders. It’s a gamble. I’ve looked at many coins and definitely am not better than the tpg folks. Good luck and keep us posted 😀
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If I post a good image can you guys offer feedback?
I agree with your comment 100%.
I have the same thing, also a 1942 Proof Walker. As said above, the little nibs or whatever that were supposed to keep the coin from rotating break off and float around in the holder.
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We can try, but there's no way to provide a grade for a proof from an image. It would be an informed guess, at best.
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Leave it in the holder unless you want to likely lose both money and liquidity. It is likely you do not yet know how to spot money coins.
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Tom I can't argue with you. Your absolutely right. My big issue here is I don't like the crap floating around in the slab. I'm going to have to sell it if I don't resubmit. I have looked this coin over fairly well. I see two carbon spots and nothing else.
Anyway let's give it a shot. Just for fun.
PR65? It does look very good.
It is in a 65 holder right now. I convince myself it's a 67 or 68 but honestly as Tom said I don't know enough. I don't see anything aside from those two carbon marks. Not a ding or even a break in luster. Nothing.
My first impression was 64. It looks like there may be hairlines in the right obverse field but I can't be certain.
Cracking that coin out of a 65 holder would be a big mistake IMO.
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So I know these can have planchet marks due to insufficient striking. But some of those marks on the leg don't look like the typical planchet lines. They are more square / triangular and kind of appear to have pushed up metal at the edges like a contact mark. But I don't know and possibly something to look at. Here is the photo enlarged in that area.
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I don't know how much experience you have, but you "read" like it isn't much. That isn't a slam in any way, it's just how I am interpreting the situation. As such, I wonder if you realize that proof coinage is not graded in the same way that business strike coinage is graded. For proof coins, the placement, severity and number of hairlines is typically what generates the grade while actual hits, marks and scrapes are typically not encountered. As always, eye appeal has a say, too.
I don't see plastic bits floating around in the slab, but again with brilliant proof coinage the mirrors can create havoc with interpreting what is on the surface of the coin, what is on the surface of the slab and what is reflection. You, obviously, know much better what might be in the holder. I wrote it previously and will write it again; your best bet to move on from this coin might be to sell it as-is and buy one you like. You may get an upgrade if you send it in for re-grade, but the difference in price between a typical PF65 and PF66 is so small that your shipping and re-grade costs might gobble up any one point gain. Even if it comes back PF67, which I think is very unlikely given that the coin has been in the current holder for over 30-years and no one has re-graded it in that time, the value increase is $100 or $200 after all expenses. If you don't get it to upgrade then you are looking to sell a generic date proof WLH with typical eye appeal in a new holder and that can whack the bottom line and make the coin stagnant.
There are collectors for coinage in this era holder and they will happily buy this coin from you. Good luck!
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Had this happen to a couple of my $2.5 that was slabbed by ANACS. It had bits of debris in it and the show representative to whom it was submitted to, had offered to take it back and get them reslabbed.
Figured it was not worth the hassle and left them inside the storage box and all of it seemed to have settled down and is not as visible anymore.
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Bummer!
No extra charge for the "debris". It makes it more special and more towards...shall we say...unique.
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TomB I really appreciate your insight and I don't feel slammed at all. I'm learning and buy asking questions and participating in this community I will in time gain experience. I have had many hobbies over the years. This is a relatively new one for me. I imagine if any one of us were to start on the ground floor or let's say wanted to become serious about a hobby we would have no choice but to expose our inexperience so that we could gain the knowledge to surpass our own limits.
Over a lifetime I have become good at many things but I haven't always enjoyed them. I enjoy coins very much even though some drama is involved. Not now or here on this thread but at other times. Skin thickens over time and nievetty begins to dissipate as I learn. I learned a ton right here in this thread. In the future it won't be necessary to ask this same question for now I know the answer!
@Watchtower ... Good advice above. I also recommend selling the coin 'as is' and then buying one that appeals to you more. The OGH is a selling point and it is a nice coin as well. Cheers, RickO
When I first came to this forum I loved the “grade it” posts. I’m definitely not great at grading but as with most I collect what I like. These posts, I believe, help the collector get a good foundation based on what all these people have been saying. It’s a lot of free knowledge from amazing people. Right away I was thinking PR64. As a side note I sat down at my LCS and poured over a box of Morgan’s all 65, and 66. Out of well over 50 coins my eyes pulled out only 65’s. Would I chance sending them off? No, because I except that I have the best of the lot even with the lower grade. But I love just being a collector.
Why step over the dollar to get to the cent? Because it's a 55DDO.
Not AFAIK: they were retired because they were being actively counterfeited. First PCGS tried putting a security band around the rattler shell, then they redesigned the holder.
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At least it’s not a cricket.
My point was that holders cannot have loose fitting coins that can rotate freely within the slab. PCGS realized this early on. TPGs have also moved forward with security innovations from early on. Nobody would want protective slabs with loose fitting coins and certainly not me.
All in all an eye appealing coin. I would leave it in the old holder as imo, with the abrasions on Liberty's leg, I don't see a grade bump.