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Christmas Eve GTG - 2 cent copper - Grade posted

spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 26, 2022 11:29AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Curious what you would grade this coin? It is not in pcgs or ngc plastic, which I will reveal probably Monday.

I should receive it probably after the first, when I can attempt to take some larger higher definition photos of it.


It's rated ms64Rd by segs. Will post more photos once it's in hand!

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with MS64RB.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks 64. Whats that green looking spot on the reverse?

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice two cent piece... interesting die cracks. Cheers, RickO

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m thinking 64 RB too.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unc. Details, questionable color.

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    dunkleosteus430dunkleosteus430 Posts: 471 ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe 63 RB.

    Young Numismatist

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    Looks 64. Whats that green looking spot on the reverse?

    Not sure. Hoping it's just lighting but suspect it may be a conservation candidate possibly? I won't be getting it until likely after the first in hand.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaned and retoned.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We have some tough critics here.

    I'd go MS-64, R&B.

    Many older copper pieces that have a lot of red have been "helped" a little.

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    We have some tough critics here.

    I'd go MS-64, R&B.

    Many older copper pieces that have a lot of red have been "helped" a little.

    Yeah I've come to expect that... It is tough to grade on pictures alone so it's understandable. And, I'd rather conservative guesses honestly as I consider possibly sending to a tpg to cross.

    I'll post some more photos once it's in hand!

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    MS63 RB

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,456 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty but likely Cleaned/AT

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

    Larry

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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS HATES any copper with toning. At NGC it's MS 64 R/B.

    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it will 64 RB. Nice coin. Not my interest but attractive, nonetheless.
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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have to agree with Mark, something just doesn't seem quite right, looks like it was messed with.

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DollarAfterDollar said:
    PCGS HATES any copper with toning. At NGC it's MS 64 R/B.

    Really?

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    KoveKove Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭✭

    If it's straight graded, it looks like a 64 RB to me.

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The toning looks very natural to me I’ll go 65RB.

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2022 12:13AM

    @Kove said:
    If it's straight graded, it looks like a 64 RB to me.

    Well that's a very wishy washy answer.

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:
    The toning looks very natural to me I’ll go 65RB.

    The coin is "damaged" IMHO, if not I will have to eat my words

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Raybo said:

    @DollarAfterDollar said:
    PCGS HATES any copper with toning. At NGC it's MS 64 R/B.

    Really?

    I’m with you on that. PCGS sure has straight-graded a lot of toned copper (including many very high grade examples) for a company that “HATES any copper with toning”.

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Raybo said:

    @DollarAfterDollar said:
    PCGS HATES any copper with toning. At NGC it's MS 64 R/B.

    Really?

    I’m with you on that. PCGS sure has straight-graded a lot of toned copper (including many very high grade examples) for a company that “HATES any copper with toning”.

    Not to mention they are all over Coinfacts 🤔

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Raybo said:

    @Coinscratch said:
    The toning looks very natural to me I’ll go 65RB.

    The coin is "damaged" IMHO, if not I will have to eat my words

    Where is the damage?

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ms64 Rd by segs.

    Contemplating removing it from its tomb, but will post more photos once it's in hand.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok but does anybody trust the grading by that company? Usually top 3 or 4 companies is as far as most will venture out.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would take it out and send to our host after an acetone bath to see if that green on the reverse cones off.

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    Ok but does anybody trust the grading by that company? Usually top 3 or 4 companies is as far as most will venture out.

    I didn't say they did, or that I do, or that anyone else should. It was a GTG, and I said it was not in a tpg plastic up front. When it's in hand I will be better able to decide if it's worth cracking out or not.

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    I would take it out and send to our host after an acetone bath to see if that green on the reverse cones off.

    That's what I was thinking too, but until it's in hand I won't make that decision yet.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2022 2:17PM

    @gumby1234 said:
    Ok but does anybody trust the grading by that company? Usually top 3 or 4 companies is as far as most will venture out.

    Regardless of what company graded the coin, clearly it’s not RD (even if it happened to be at the time of encapsulation). Beyond, that, I stand with my previous assessment of Unc. details, questionable color.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld It probably turned color in the holder similar to old PCI holders.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @MFeld It probably turned color in the holder similar to old PCI holders.

    I’m not discounting that scenario.

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @MFeld It probably turned color in the holder similar to old PCI holders.

    Which then would increase the risk of cracking it out, no? Would a grader be able to tell what a coin was, or should be if I sent it in? Perhaps with a conservation beforehand might get better results? I don't know if I'd want to try cleaning it myself 😬

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2022 3:14PM

    @spyglassdesign If its changed in the holder that its in it will get worse overtime most likely. Best bet is conserve and reslab if you think it will straight grade at 64 or higher. If not maybe crack out, soak in acetone and self slab or album coin.

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spyglassdesign said:

    That's what I was thinking too, but until it's in hand I won't make that decision yet.

    When can we expect

    @Coinscratch said:
    I cracked this one from a SEGS graded PF67 and our host upgraded it to an 8.

    You have a proof 1966 quarter?

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Raybo said:

    @spyglassdesign said:

    That's what I was thinking too, but until it's in hand I won't make that decision yet.

    When can we expect

    @Coinscratch said:
    I cracked this one from a SEGS graded PF67 and our host upgraded it to an 8.

    You have a proof 1966 quarter?

    I just was informed the auction house is behind, shipping by Jan 4th. So hopefully by the 10th.

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Raybo said:

    @spyglassdesign said:

    That's what I was thinking too, but until it's in hand I won't make that decision yet.

    When can we expect

    @Coinscratch said:
    I cracked this one from a SEGS graded PF67 and our host upgraded it to an 8.

    You have a proof 1966 quarter?

    Had.. I gave it to the starter at my local golf course who happens to be a collector.
    I was showing it for a good reference to SEGS slabs.

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Had I knew then what I know now I never would’ve given it away. My main focus has shifted to toned Washington’s. :|

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You must have the only proof 1966 quarter Coinscratch, please post images when you do receive it.

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Raybo said:
    You must have the only proof 1966 quarter Coinscratch, please post images when you do receive it.

    Are you asking me? If so I definitely will; expected to ship by the 4th. If you are talking to Coinscratch he said he gave it away 😢

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the point was that there are no 1966 proof quarters. There were UNC and there were SMS.

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    JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unless the photo is off I don’t see that color as original

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:
    I cracked this one from a SEGS graded PF67 and our host upgraded it to an 8.

    is this close or did i juice it too much.

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    I think the point was that there are no 1966 proof quarters. There were UNC and there were SMS.

    Ah I see. I looked ip the cert number and it was ms65... Consider my leg pulled lol

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2022 9:09AM

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @Coinscratch said:
    I cracked this one from a SEGS graded PF67 and our host upgraded it to an 8.

    is this close or did i juice it too much.

    Sorry if I sent this thread down a rabbit hole but...The coin is PR68 look it up again and it is as blue as the day is long, the pic is very representative obviously PCGS agreed. PR - SMS it's all the same to me.

    edit: @LanceNewmanOCC YEs, way over juiced.

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2022 9:15AM

    @Coinscratch said:

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @Coinscratch said:
    I cracked this one from a SEGS graded PF67 and our host upgraded it to an 8.

    is this close or did i juice it too much.

    Sorry if I sent this thread down a rabbit hole but...The coin is PR68 look it up again and it is as blue as the day is long, the pic is very representative obviously PCGS agreed. PR - SMS it's all the same to me.

    edit: @LanceNewmanOCC YEs, way over juiced.

    All good 😅

    Weird. I must have gotten one number wrong and still ended up with a correct cert number. It indeed is sp68!

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2022 9:17AM

    @Coinscratch said:

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @Coinscratch said:
    I cracked this one from a SEGS graded PF67 and our host upgraded it to an 8.

    is this close or did i juice it too much.

    Sorry if I sent this thread down a rabbit hole but...The coin is PR68 look it up again and it is as blue as the day is long, the pic is very representative obviously PCGS agreed. PR - SMS it's all the same to me.

    edit: @LanceNewmanOCC YEs, way over juiced.

    The coin is not a Proof - as was already pointed out, no Proofs of that year were made. It’s an SMS example (which is not the same as a Proof, even if “all the same” to you.) As per the cert verification page:

    https://www.pcgs.com/cert/37577782

    PCGS # 5998
    Date, mintmark 1966
    Denomination 25C
    Variety SMS
    Region The United States of America
    Grade SP68

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