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Do you think this should have gotten a Details grade…Buffalo

VetterVetter Posts: 787 ✭✭✭✭✭

PCGS straight graded this one. Do you think it should have gotten a details grade because of the scratch on the obv. It’s graded a VG8 and it looks like a Fine to me. Maybe they lower the grade a bit to make up for the scratch because it’s a better date?

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  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 805 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No details grade as the scratch is faint, but clearly they lowered the grade as that coin would have graded VF20 imho…

  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The main scratch(es) appear shallow, but they also appear to be quite recent. Additionally, whatever it slid across left its mark on the Native American's braid as well as possibly the truncation of the front of the neck and rim. I could see something like this getting a straight grade pass if it is tough to see in-hand and we see it well because of lighting. However, my gut would have said it would get a details grade.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,290 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe they gave it a pass on the details grade because of it being a San Fran mint coin.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, it should have gotten a details grade. Whenever the damage is across the bust/head and especially the rim, it should be given such, in my opinion. I do not agree with grade reduction for any issues. I have always felt a grading company should grade the coin and note the damage as to a details grade, but not reduction of grade. What good does that do. If it warrants a grade reduction, it should not be given a pass.
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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Vetter said:
    PCGS straight graded this one. Do you think it should have gotten a details grade because of the scratch on the obv.

    My personal POV is that a coin deserves a details grade if whatever flaw you're discussing is not typically expected to be encountered on a straight graded coin.

    Rhetorical question: If you bought a coin graded "VG8" sight-unseen without any description, would the scratch bother you?

  • pcgscacgoldpcgscacgold Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, details grade in my opinion.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The scratch bothers me when I look at it, so I say details graded.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,795 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The most prominent thing about the obverse is that scratch. I would give it a details grade for that reason.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m torn, the scratch is more recent than the wear. Not sure how it happened but I lean towards details.

  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It seems a bit severe but I think it's just the photo. In circulation this wouldn't be unreasonable.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,826 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DollarAfterDollar said:
    It seems a bit severe but I think it's just the photo. In circulation this wouldn't be unreasonable.

    I agree. I think the lighting is causing it to glow white. I bet it is much less noticeable in hand

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on what is shown in the picture, I would give it a details grade. In hand, perhaps a different conclusion - we are second guessing the graders. Cheers, RickO

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2022 10:07AM

    That's a rare and very scarce Buff. Due to the shallow date that early Buffs have, This coin stands out.

    Problem is, it suffers from the same striking problems that plagued the San Francisco Mint in 1913.

    Looks like the coin has a VG-8 obverse, with a reverse that would have been F-15 had it not been unevenly struck.

    Some latitude is given concerning scratches when grading rare coins, and I believe that's what happened here.

    Look at this reverse. The tail on the subject coin has uneven wear in regards to the rest of the coin as shown by this picture.

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Vetter said:
    PCGS straight graded this one. Do you think it should have gotten a details grade because of the scratch on the obv. It’s graded a VG8 and it looks like a Fine to me. Maybe they lower the grade a bit to make up for the scratch because it’s a better date?

    That is exactly what they did, I have seen them do this to 1918/7 d overdate buffs. But I would pass on a coin like this,
    though it does not look bad and go for one without the distractioon of a scratch like this. And if straight graded this
    coin should have been graded fine-12; LIBERTY is merging with the rim and the tippy tippy tip of he horn is gone.
    But that said, especially accross the street, I have seen buffs that look like this given the super grade of vf20!

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have learned that some pictures make make defects look worse than they appear in person. First the picture is far larger than the coin. Second, sometimes the light hits the mark at just the right angle to emphasize it.

    Overall all, I'd say it's marginal for the details grade. It might deserve one if the mark is as bad as it appears on the right obverse rim. Still it's the sort of thing that should dim with time, and in this case a little, very skillful coin doctor work with some toning, would not be totally out of line.

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  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Typical double staple scratch. Maybe hidden on reverse since it’s a key but not obverse center

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes

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