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NP - My only certified Lincoln cent (1937 proof cameo)

CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

I received my new piece yesterday from DLRC and thought I'd share it here. I bought this to go along with two other proof coins of the same date in order to build a proof set for 1937. As I take on this project, I've been blessed with the assistance of our own @FlyingAl who I've solicited to mentor me on this journey since this is his area of focus/expertise. He's been great to know and has been an excellent advisor from which to learn! Mark @MFeld has also examined some other coins of the same date and gave me excellent feedback. Thank you both!

Here are the seller's pics:



Perhaps some day I'll own one of the early Lincoln proofs that do better justice to this design. Such a big difference in the detail shown on Lincoln's bust when comparing the two versions.

If you own a Lincoln proof, please post it in this thread for all to enjoy!

"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"

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    DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful proof! Congrats

    I like how you gave a shoutout to those who were able to help steer you in the right direction. I’ve always found Marks @MFeld feedback to be extremely helpful, and it’s awesome that @FlyingAl was eager to share some of his knowledge to aid in your search!

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wonderful proof, congrats on the addition!

    My Lincoln Registry
    My Collection of Old Holders

    Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rare mintage, and yours remains well preserved.
    Nice catch!

    peacockcoins

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That cent beats the devil out of the one I have in my 1937 Proof set. But, I don’t spend big bucks for Proof cents.

    My 1936 to ‘42 Proof set goals are less lofty. I punched coins that please me. They range from PR-64 to 67.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,527 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a beautiful cameo proof. I'd be proud to own that piece.

    I'd like to echo the shout out to @MFeld and @FlyingAl also. I don't know them personally, but I've seen great advice given here by both. I have a great respect for them.

    Donato

    Hobbyist & Collector (not an investor).
    Donato's Complete US Type Set ---- Donato's Dansco 7070 Modified Type Set ---- Donato's Basic U.S. Coin Design Set

    Successful transactions: Shrub68 (Jim), MWallace (Mike)
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is my 1937. I saw this on the Collectors Corner site and bought it.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    dunkleosteus430dunkleosteus430 Posts: 471 ✭✭✭✭

    That's a beautiful coin! Here's my 1964. The holder is pretty ugly.


    Young Numismatist

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,731 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's beautiful!

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    jomjom Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love those near-WW2 CAM proofs. Rare birds....

    jom

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    Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice proof 😀
    Here’s a picture of my baby Not expensive but nice.

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @winesteven said:

    @Catbert said:
    If you own a Lincoln proof, please post it in this thread for all to enjoy!

    First and most importantly, CONGRATULATIONS on obtaining such a phenomenally gorgeous coin. So few PR66RD’s garner the CAM suffix. Having a Cameo Proof Lincoln truly shows off the artistry, and that coin is 85 years old! Additionally, by meriting the CAC sticker, as you know, that means three things in CAC’s opinion:

    1. It’s solid as a PR66;
    2. It’s also solid for the RD color;
    3. Finally, it’s also solid as a Cameo!

    If CAC felt it was not solid for any one of those three attributes, they would not have stickered it! As such, that’s why there’s only 10 that exist in that complete grade that merit a CAC sticker (including those graded by NGC)! You were so smart to be open to accepting the help of @FlyingAl and @MFeld !

    Steve,

    I usually agree with you on a lot of things (ok, most :smile:), but I'm going to disagree here. As I get more and more into these proofs, you discover that there is no set standard for what makes a proof from 1936-1942 cameo (TPG wise). It varies from grader to grader, and every slab generation or so will let different coins into a CAM holder. This is much more so than any other era, and I believe it will always be the same.

    I have not seen any consistency from CAC in what they agree with as CAM. What they sticker as far as CAMs go seems to align with the TPGS. I see what I would call exceptional proofs designated CAM in CAC holders, and there are going to be some very weakly contrasted proofs in those stickers holders as well. I do not believe that CAC stickers exceptional coins for the CAM grade. That's the drawback to the stickers - CAC is going to sticker a 65CAM coin if it's solid for the grade - 65. The low pops could refer to coins simply not being sent to CAC. I am confident in saying that a CAC sticker on this era of CAMs does NOT mean the coin is solid for a CAM.

    That's why this era CAM'ed coins are the riskiest coins to crack out. I've seen coins designated CAM, cracked, and then not given the designation. Again - standards for these are like the Colorado weather (we get sun, snow, rain, and clouds in the same day).

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

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    winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2022 9:00PM

    Maybe we’re saying the same thing, but maybe we disagree and we’re not saying the same thing.

    What I’m saying is that if a coin has a suffix as part of the grade, whether a color and/or a CAM or DCAM designation, CAC will apply their sticker only if in their opinion, the coin is solid for that suffix. MAYBE what you’re saying is you agree with that, but you’re pointing out that you believe CAC’s opinion on many of the CAM designated proofs of this time period is inconsistent. If that’s your point, I’m ok with that. But if your point is that with proofs of this time period CAC will for the most part ignore CAM suffixes and choose to sticker coins if CAC feels the coin is solid only for the numerical grade and color, but they feel is not solid for the CAM suffix, but sticker it anyway, then we respectfully disagree.

    Steve

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @winesteven said:
    Maybe we’re saying the same thing, but maybe we disagree and we’re not saying the same thing.

    What I’m saying is that if a coin has a suffix as part of the grade, whether a color and/or a CAM or DCAM designation, CAC will apply their sticker only if in their opinion, the coin is solid for that suffix. MAYBE what you’re saying is you agree with that, but you’re pointing out that you believe CAC’s opinion on many of the CAM designated proofs of this time period is inconsistent. If that’s your point, I’m ok with that. But if your point is that with proofs of this time period CAC will for the most part ignore CAM suffixes and choose to sticker coins if CAC feels the coin is solid only for the numerical grade and color, but they feel is not solid for the CAM suffix, but sticker it anyway, then we respectfully disagree.

    Steve

    Steve,

    I’m afraid we may disagree then. I’ll try to clarify. I’m saying CAC will sticker a coin with the CAM suffix - whether or not that coin is solid for the CAM designation. It could be that CAC willingly chooses to do so, or that they are simply unaware of what a strong CAM coin for the era is. I for one sure hope it’s the former rather than the latter.

    This is not true with the present coin, which was seemingly struck in the middle of when this die pair was producing DCAM/CAM coins. The coin is strong for the designation.

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

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    winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2022 9:43PM

    I don’t mean to beat a dead horse, but just to be clear, you’re saying that CAC will sticker a coin with the CAM suffix - even if in THEIR opinion that coin is not solid for the CAM designation? Put another way, just as CAC policy will currently ignore a “+” as part of a grade, you’re saying they’ll ignore a CAM suffix too, as part of their policy?

    Edit - After I reread your prior post, it sounds like you’re really saying they don’t ignore the CAM suffix, but they just are not aware of what a solid CAM is for that generation. I can accept that (at least for now).

    Steve

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Steve,

    Looks like we understand each other!

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Catbert ... That is a really nice PR cent.... Will be interested to see your entire set when complete. Cheers, RickO

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:
    Wonderful proof, congrats on the addition!

    A Cameo Wheatie. That is one of a very few that exist, and I really like it.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,511 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wicked nice, congrats

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    NeophyteNumismatistNeophyteNumismatist Posts: 888 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Catbert CAM and DCAM wheat cent proofs are tricky. I really like the '37!

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice!

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