PVC and PCGS
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Often, if not too harsh, pvc can be carefully removed. Sometimes it cannot.
Tom
What do i do.... and appears to have PVC.
First confirm that it is PVC (or what it is) and this might involve others to help.
If confirmed, then I would evaluate the coin as far as cost, can it be restored and my personal preferences for the coin.
Then either send to PCGS restoration if the above indicated this to be the best path for me. Or if not then would be either to sell or crack out and do it myself which would be for me lower value and something I just wanted to keep or similar.There is a possibility to leave it alone and keep depending on specifics of the above.
Fairly general, but without knowing any other details about the coin, that's it.
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PVC and verdigris can form on a coin after it's been slabbed. Is it a large cent?
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And it does not appear to be covered by the PCGS Guarantee.
Source: https://www.pcgs.com/guarantee
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in the slab? some have sent in for grade review and PCGS has removed and reholdered or bought back
I hope it is not in a rare and valuable slab
Does PCGS slab PVC tainted coins? I am not sure about their protocol. It would not hurt to call their customer service and ask them that question you have.
It is possible to send it to them for conservation and reslab, but I do not know the procedure for that or the costs associated.
You need to know the value of the coin to see if the extra costs justify it.
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Crack it out, dip, send in for grading, hope for the best.
A PCGS video about 'PVC residue' can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CkeSB815Tw&t=118s
The relevant section starts at 1:55. Per the video, PCGS will not slab a coin with visible evidence of PVC (at 3:40).
Details about 'PCGS restoration' can be found here: https://www.pcgs.com/restoration
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i've never had one go through. any coin they detected that had pvc that i've submitted came back in a body bag.
that being said, i've seen more and more coins with green spots, not just copper in new slab generations.
It depends on what it looks like...how bad and old is the damage. Pix would help.
Lance.
Pics please and an explanation…
PVC damage is different than PVC. If there is active PVC present, the damage will continue unless it is removed. PVC damage, on the other hand, cannot be removed.
Depending on the coins value.
If valuable send it in for restoration in its slab so you keep the grade.
If not very valuable say less than $200. Probably best just to crackout and soak in acetone.
Restoration along with shipping and handling will run about $100.
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Do you have pictures of it?
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Are you sure it's PVC rather than putty or just some type of contamination picked up while in circulation? Some good pics would help us greatly to provide you with some good suggestions.
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The PCGS restoration page states that a coin submitted in a PCGS holder is guaranteed not to downgrade.
Source: https://www.pcgs.com/restoration
That said, the restoration submission form is more specific. Coins submitted in PCGS holders are "covered per the PCGS guarantee".
Source: https://www.pcgs.com/submissionform/restorationcoin.pdf?v=2022
And, the PCGS guarantee explicitly states that it does not apply to coins exhibiting "environmental deterioration", like "PVC contamination", after 'grading/encapsulation'.
Source: https://www.pcgs.com/guarantee
Per the post above from @davewesen, I have no idea what they actually do in these cases on a goodwill basis. And it never hurts to ask. Notwithstanding, their official policy is publicly communicated, and, unless I missed something, the guarantee would not apply in this case.
Thank you everyone for responding to my question. I'm not referring to a specific coin; but, attempting to learn how to avoid coins that will not receive a CAC. From an earlier string of posting on this website regarding PVC, I read
"number of PCGS slabbed coins out there with PVC residue on them. ...it is the most common reason for otherwise nice for the grade coins not getting a CAC sticker.""
Two main choices IMO...
1- send it in for restoration
2- Crack it and soak in acetone yourself
Those are suggestions based on your inputs... We really need good pictures to give better advice. Cheers, RickO
I borrowed this picture from Joeykoins - Is the dot on the eagle's feathers PVC?
Looks more like a carbon spot.
IMO, there is way too much green entombed in plastic
I agree carbon spot
Is that as bad as PVC?
Different issue. PVC is post-mint 'damage' from storage, carbon spots occurred during mint production. Usually carbon spots, unless very, very small, cannot be removed. But they are on many coins, esp Morgans and Peace $'s. Impact depends on where the spot is located, if in the focal areas, can make the coin much less marketable. I've not bot many coins because of that. Sometimes you have to make an exception. But will not grow and cause further damage.
Here is one from my collection.
PVC along the bottom from 4:00 to 7:00 o'clock?
More or less harmless.
I don't have much experience with PVC damage, but I think it is usually green. I don't think that is PVC damage on your dime.
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Agree. Looks like a couple of carbon spots. Nice looking coin. Enjoy it as is.
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I once complained to an NGC grader over the phone about a very scarce rare coin in an NGC straight graded MS64 holder appearing in a Heritage auction.
chunks of green PVC could be seen all over the coin, he finally admitted to my observation but what could be done except to hear my complaint about their assessments. it was bought cleaned an went into a PCGS holder at MS66 and returned to another soon heritage auction. smart buyer. I missed that one.