This date is far too common to get hung up on some emotional attachment or deep "liking" of it. @Catbert speaks wisely, move on and you'll almost certainly find an example absent any problems or concerns.
The area in front of Ms. Liberty’s shows signs of die fatigue, which is indicated by some minor toughness. It looks like some of it may have been smoothed out because I have never seen die fatigue look quite like that.
I think that the whole coin has had work done on it. It was done by “a pro,” but it’s still noticeable.
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@lkeigwin said:
I don't see a problem. I'd resubmit it. Or send it to another TPG.
Lance.
If you really want it in a straight grade holder, I think NGG would probably be more forgiving, especially where the color is attractive but may not be original.
I don’t know if Verdigone would help with the reverse spot or not.
As is, it’s nice enough as a raw coin with possibly some minor issues, but otherwise good eye appeal. I suspect if you’d posted it as a raw coin NEWP, many posters would have liked it.
Look at the area around the spot and carefully tilt it back & forth under a light. If there’s discoloration and a disturbance to the luster/grain/texture in this area you have your answer.
If so, the spot isn’t so much the issue (well, OK, it’s a bit of an issue) but the attempt to fix it which resulted in “altered surfaces”. As others have said, it might not be noticed on a different day. An in-hand inspection would be helpful.
@Catbert said:
Some unsolicited advice. Usually, "but for" coins continue to itch and the best solution is to sell it and find another example that fits your requirements. I've made some purchasing mistakes and it's okay to lose a few hundred to unload it and chalk it up to tuition payments.
Thanks, any advice (even unsolicited) is welcome
I'm still (relatively) new to coin collecting so I will take all the advice and opinions I can get!
Thankfully I've only got a hair over $325 into this including grading so hopefully wont lose a few hundred when I sell it
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altered surface usually goes with something smoothed or whizzed
I am also thinking obverse fields between stars 1-2 and 3-4
I suspect if you take coin/slab to a big show, many dealers would be able to point out area(s) causing designation.
pictures themselves can be deceptive
@Catbert said:
Some unsolicited advice. Usually, "but for" coins continue to itch and the best solution is to sell it and find another example that fits your requirements. I've made some purchasing mistakes and it's okay to lose a few hundred to unload it and chalk it up to tuition payments.
Thanks, any advice (even unsolicited) is welcome
I'm still (relatively) new to coin collecting so I will take all the advice and opinions I can get!
Thankfully I've only got a hair over $325 into this including grading so hopefully wont lose a few hundred when I sell it
More unsolicited advice - if you’re spending this kind of money on late date cents, buy them already slabbed. Gambling on how a TPG may grade it is risky.
Here’s one I “gambled” on.
I bought it at AU money, thinking it would 63.
PCGS called it 58. Still, I’m all in at less than $150 including slabbing:
@humanssuck said:
Looks like someone tried to smooth out graffiti under "cent" on the back?
Maybe emerald can explain how the number 5 got there?
I think their does appear to be some "smoothing" or alteration going on here also and not the "5". lol
May well be some graffiti being removed, but I would think this to be the only thing I see that would cause a rejection.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Hard to tell from a picture, it really is. But using Occams razor philosophy, I think over the years someone tried to get rid of that stain and moved metal at some point, thus Altered Surfaces..
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This date is far too common to get hung up on some emotional attachment or deep "liking" of it. @Catbert speaks wisely, move on and you'll almost certainly find an example absent any problems or concerns.
The area in front of Ms. Liberty’s shows signs of die fatigue, which is indicated by some minor toughness. It looks like some of it may have been smoothed out because I have never seen die fatigue look quite like that.
I think that the whole coin has had work done on it. It was done by “a pro,” but it’s still noticeable.
If you really want it in a straight grade holder, I think NGG would probably be more forgiving, especially where the color is attractive but may not be original.
I don’t know if Verdigone would help with the reverse spot or not.
As is, it’s nice enough as a raw coin with possibly some minor issues, but otherwise good eye appeal. I suspect if you’d posted it as a raw coin NEWP, many posters would have liked it.
Look at the area around the spot and carefully tilt it back & forth under a light. If there’s discoloration and a disturbance to the luster/grain/texture in this area you have your answer.
If so, the spot isn’t so much the issue (well, OK, it’s a bit of an issue) but the attempt to fix it which resulted in “altered surfaces”. As others have said, it might not be noticed on a different day. An in-hand inspection would be helpful.
Thanks, any advice (even unsolicited) is welcome
I'm still (relatively) new to coin collecting so I will take all the advice and opinions I can get!
Thankfully I've only got a hair over $325 into this including grading so hopefully wont lose a few hundred when I sell it
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
altered surface usually goes with something smoothed or whizzed
I am also thinking obverse fields between stars 1-2 and 3-4
I suspect if you take coin/slab to a big show, many dealers would be able to point out area(s) causing designation.
pictures themselves can be deceptive
More unsolicited advice - if you’re spending this kind of money on late date cents, buy them already slabbed. Gambling on how a TPG may grade it is risky.
Here’s one I “gambled” on.
I bought it at AU money, thinking it would 63.
PCGS called it 58. Still, I’m all in at less than $150 including slabbing:
I think their does appear to be some "smoothing" or alteration going on here also and not the "5". lol
May well be some graffiti being removed, but I would think this to be the only thing I see that would cause a rejection.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Hard to tell from a picture, it really is. But using Occams razor philosophy, I think over the years someone tried to get rid of that stain and moved metal at some point, thus Altered Surfaces..