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Neat find in some bulk wheat cents..... civil war token ish

COINS MAKE CENTSCOINS MAKE CENTS Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 17, 2022 11:20AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Was going through a few 5 gallon bucks of wheats in the office to sort them out by decade for a customer and this little guy appeared.

Looks like the token is called the "first confederate cent"

Unfortunately there's a little green on it, but still a fun find none the less.

Just thought I would share

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well that is a unique find.... Good luck in the rest of the search. Cheers, RickO

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 17, 2022 9:19AM

    pretty neat one!

    i'd be shocked if that isn't a better one too being a possible store card advertising token.

    if you want more info, i'd put something in the title to indicate what you found.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,692 ✭✭✭✭✭

    thats different and cool

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    tincuptincup Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice find!

    My Rulau United States Tokens shows it as VA103 from Alexandria Virginia, 1859, Stated value in Fine around $25 or so.

    ----- kj
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    COINS MAKE CENTSCOINS MAKE CENTS Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    pretty neat one!

    i'd be shocked if that isn't a better one too being a possible store card advertising token.

    if you want more info, i'd put something in the title to indicate what you found.

    I think it may be a little better according to ebay sales records

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    WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice find,

    WS

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice - Well a little green beats the hell out of alot of green - !

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

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    124Spider124Spider Posts: 858 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Being from Alexandria, Va., I recognize that name; there is significant history to that house:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_House_(Alexandria,_Virginia)

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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,072 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a great find. Marshall house was the scene of one of the first casualties of the Civil War, when Lt. Elmer Ephraim Ellsworth was shot dead by the proprietor for taking down the flag of the Confederacy.

    This token was struck by Robert Lovett, Jr of the Confederate Cent fame. Uses the same French head of Liberty on this piece, and it is speculated that the Marshall House tokens circulated in the south.

    That should definitely not have been in a roll of cents!

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Truly neat that one can still find little treasures in the wild. Great luck.
    Jim


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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:
    That is a great find. Marshall house was the scene of one of the first casualties of the Civil War, when Lt. Elmer Ephraim Ellsworth was shot dead by the proprietor for taking down the flag of the Confederacy.

    This token was struck by Robert Lovett, Jr of the Confederate Cent fame. Uses the same French head of Liberty on this piece, and it is speculated that the Marshall House tokens circulated in the south.

    That should definitely not have been in a roll of cents!

    Thanks for the post.

    How scarce? or Common is it?

    Frank

    BHNC #203

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    COINS MAKE CENTSCOINS MAKE CENTS Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Treashunt said:

    @DCW said:
    That is a great find. Marshall house was the scene of one of the first casualties of the Civil War, when Lt. Elmer Ephraim Ellsworth was shot dead by the proprietor for taking down the flag of the Confederacy.

    This token was struck by Robert Lovett, Jr of the Confederate Cent fame. Uses the same French head of Liberty on this piece, and it is speculated that the Marshall House tokens circulated in the south.

    That should definitely not have been in a roll of cents!

    Thanks for the post.

    How scarce? or Common is it?

    Seems not many have sold on ebay recently from what I could find. Maybe I looked in the wrong place. Seems the one that did sell were in the 100 to 150 range

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    tincuptincup Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do bear in mind the info I posted is from Rulau's 4th edition book is somewhat dated... though I think it is the last edition printed in 2004. So while it is a great reference on the tokens... pricing information likely has certainly changed. The $100 mentioned for ebay sales certainly may be more accurate with the times.

    All in all... a nice find and surprise. I like it!

    ----- kj
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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @COINS MAKE CENTS said:

    @Treashunt said:

    @DCW said:
    That is a great find. Marshall house was the scene of one of the first casualties of the Civil War, when Lt. Elmer Ephraim Ellsworth was shot dead by the proprietor for taking down the flag of the Confederacy.

    This token was struck by Robert Lovett, Jr of the Confederate Cent fame. Uses the same French head of Liberty on this piece, and it is speculated that the Marshall House tokens circulated in the south.

    That should definitely not have been in a roll of cents!

    Thanks for the post.

    How scarce? or Common is it?

    Seems not many have sold on ebay recently from what I could find. Maybe I looked in the wrong place. Seems the one that did sell were in the 100 to 150 range

    Nice find!

    Frank

    BHNC #203

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:

    @Treashunt said:

    @DCW said:
    That is a great find. Marshall house was the scene of one of the first casualties of the Civil War, when Lt. Elmer Ephraim Ellsworth was shot dead by the proprietor for taking down the flag of the Confederacy.

    This token was struck by Robert Lovett, Jr of the Confederate Cent fame. Uses the same French head of Liberty on this piece, and it is speculated that the Marshall House tokens circulated in the south.

    That should definitely not have been in a roll of cents!

    Thanks for the post.

    How scarce? or Common is it?

    The Marshall House token is fairly common. At least it was when I was dealer. The late Steve Tannenbaum used to supply them to me on a regular basis.

    Elmer Ellsworth was the first Union officer to die during the Civil War. He went up the stairs to haul down a Confederate flag that was flying on the roof of the building. As he was coming down the stairs, the proprietor, and man named James Jackson, blasted him with a double barreled shotgun. A soldier named Brownell killed Jackson and became a hero. Ellsworth became a Union martyr and Jackson became a Southern martyr. Union supporters hung pictures of him in their living rooms.

    Here are some other items from the incident.

    A ferrotype that honored Ellsworth and Brownell


    A patriotic cover that was issued to commemorate the incident.

    A picture of the hotel. A Marriot Hotel now stands on the site.

    The flag still exists.

    And here is what the first Confederate flag looked like. No, the "Stars and Bars" was not the national flag of the Confederacy. This design was soon replaced because it looked too much like the Union flag.

    Thank you, great history lesson

    Frank

    BHNC #203

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    Robert Jr. was fond of the obverse die using it for several other tokens, the M.B. Allebech and Magnolia Hotel storecards (http://rlovettjr.blogspot.com/p/store-cards.html) as well as a very rare one for the William Idler token (http://rlovettjr.blogspot.com/p/merchant-tokens-store-cards.html). What is interesting about that one is that William Idler was the father-in-law of John Haseltine of Confederate Cent fame - that piece using the same die and struck by Robert Jr. Robert Jr. also used the Liberty head on one of his storecards but on that one the R.L. beneath the bust is not present.
    (http://rlovettjr.blogspot.com/p/merchant-tokens.html).

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