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George H. Smoots Collection Auction-1932-I Wish We Could Go Back In Time

1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,774 ✭✭✭✭✭





Here's a link to the auction catalog items and auction prices realized, if interested-https://archive.org/details/cataloggeorgehsm1932mehl/page/n1/mode/2up

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1630Boston ... If ever time travel is invented, I do believe it will be by a coin collector. :D;) Cheers, RickO

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll take lot 318 for $45. please!

    Even 100 times that.


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    HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can we pay with 2022 money or would we have to pay with 1932 money? Could be a problem.

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    Glen2022Glen2022 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭✭

    @HoledandCreative said:
    Can we pay with 2022 money or would we have to pay with 1932 money? Could be a problem.

    Pay with a check. A check for $XX.XX is the same today as in 1932.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,456 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 23, 2022 11:00AM

    Wow! All I can think of. Prices are nothing compared to the coins themselves.
    Jim


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    @HoledandCreative said:
    Can we pay with 2022 money or would we have to pay with 1932 money? Could be a problem.

    Just buy the amount needed in silver dollars. It would still probably be worth it.

    Young Numismatist

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,640 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see that there was an 1876-CC Twenty Cents piece. I wonder if that became the Emory-Nichols specimen sold by Bowers in the early 1980's? Mr. Nichols was actively collecting during the Great Depression and might have been the buyer. He put all of his collections in Wayte Raymond holders, then died about 1940. His widow put everything in a steamer trunk and asked her bank to store it for her. It sat there for over 40 years, toning, until the widow died in the early 1980's.

    The heirs, a niece and nephew, were told by the bank "We've been storing this trunk for her. Could you please come get it?" They knew nothing about the collection, but in looking through the paperwork in the trunk discovered that Mr. Nichols was a member of the ANA. They contacted headquarters asking for advice, after somebody told them that the 1804 dollar in the collection might be an unknown specimen. As the resident expert on 1804 dollars at ANACS I was flown there at their expense, but alas the 1804 was merely an excellent alteration. However, I did look through everything, and picked up this complete set of Twenty Cent pieces in the Wayte Raymond holder, saw the doubled die LIBERTY on the one in the 1876-CC space, and said "Oh My" before even looking at the mint mark.

    I gave them some names of reputable auction houses, and said that Mr. Bowers would probably write a book about the collection. He did.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,774 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is fantastic information @CaptHenway , thanks for sharing it.

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,774 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway
    Did all of the 1876 CC 20cents have doubled Liberty?

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    @1630Boston said:
    @CaptHenway
    Did all of the 1876 CC 20cents have doubled Liberty?

    There aren't any listed varieties on CoinFacts, and all of the TrueViews I saw showed doubling. I didn't know that was a thing. Very cool!

    Young Numismatist

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,774 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I found this from CoinWeek by NGC

    When the order was given in 1876 to halt production and destroy existing 20 cent pieces, the Carson City Mint still had nearly its entire mintage of 10,000 on hand. Today, only about two dozen of these coins are known to exist. Consequently, genuine 1876-CC specimens generally sell for six figures when offered at auction.
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    Furthermore, all 1876-CC pieces were struck with a single pair of dies that produced a doubling on the observe that is clearly evident in the word LIBERTY in the shield. The counterfeit shows no sign of this doubling.
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    The 1876-CC specimens are also generally found in excellent condition, likely because they were saved by people who understood their enormous numismatic value.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,640 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1630Boston said:
    @CaptHenway
    Did all of the 1876 CC 20cents have doubled Liberty?

    Yes.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
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    @HoledandCreative said:
    Can we pay with 2022 money or would we have to pay with 1932 money? Could be a problem.

    So if you were the lucky winning bidder on the 1797 Half Dollar at $45 in 1932 (arguably the peak of the Great Depression, so how many people had $45 sitting around for collecting coins?), and assuming that the description of "Unusually Choice" but circulated in the flyer equates to a grade of 55, given the PCGS prices in the $300K range, you are getting an annual return on your investment of about 10%. Not shabby over 90 years but not crazy high. And yes I realize that some large majority of the readers here want to have the 1797 Half in hand to hold and see, and not necessarily (though who would say no) the currently $300K investment vehicle.

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    Although looking at it another way, if you can trust this inflation calculator https://www.officialdata.org/us/inflation/1932?amount=45 that $45 is roughly the equivalent of ~$1000 today. Makes it look like a bargain and supports Todd's "even 100 times that" comment above in one view.

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