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1776 Pewter Continental "CURENCY"

There is an interesting back story behind this one. If it is fake it had to have been made many years ago based on the timeline I was given.

Not my coin or photos. Just curious about it and if it appears that it might be legit.





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  • ilmcoinsilmcoins Posts: 525 ✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    It's a copy and not a particularly good one.

    Thanks! :-)

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  • Raybob15239Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭

    I have several of these from the Bicentennial. Not high quality, and clearly a copy, but not marked as such.

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is an interesting back story behind this one. If it is fake it had to have been made many years ago based on the timeline I was given.

    Judging that the coin itself is a bad fake, you should also consider that the "interesting back story" is made-up hogwash which should be a statement about whoever gave it to you.

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just an ugly copy

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    It's a copy and not a particularly good one.

    .
    you know, i've been wondering with some issues like this that some of us don't see in-hand very often.

    what are the odds of mistaking a genuine piece that has say, been in the ground and now looks fugly, with something that looks like the piece in the op? i'm presuming the weight will be quite a bit different or something else would give it away?

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a modern fake/replica that was most likely not meant to deceive anyone in numismatics. By "modern" I mean something likely made in the 1960s or 1970s and sold at any number of museums, historical sites, flea markets or five-and-dime stores. These were often packaged in groups with other historical replicas and/or fake/replica currency, as well. I don't know why the story has not been shared, but these are common, common, common.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @MFeld said:
    It's a copy and not a particularly good one.

    .
    you know, i've been wondering with some issues like this that some of us don't see in-hand very often.

    what are the odds of mistaking a genuine piece that has say, been in the ground and now looks fugly, with something that looks like the piece in the op? i'm presuming the weight will be quite a bit different or something else would give it away?

    Sometimes it’s difficult to be certain whether a particular piece is a copy. This is not one such occasion.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    what are the odds of mistaking a genuine piece that has say, been in the ground and now looks fugly, with something that looks like the piece in the op?

    I would say "slim to none". The piece in the op looks nothing like a ground find.

    I recall a story (from forum member @Pistareen, I think) where a genuine but very low grade Continental Dollar walked into a show and they were able to authenticate it without a second thought because it was "right" in every way.

    Some counterfeits are intended to deceive. This isn't one of them.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @MFeld said:
    It's a copy and not a particularly good one.

    .
    you know, i've been wondering with some issues like this that some of us don't see in-hand very often.

    what are the odds of mistaking a genuine piece that has say, been in the ground and now looks fugly, with something that looks like the piece in the op? i'm presuming the weight will be quite a bit different or something else would give it away?

    You may recall the story of the 1913 Liberty nickel that was called counterfeit for 50 years.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would see these fake ones at shows out west when I lived there. They were treated as novelties, none were offered as real. Oh, there were real ones, but they were usually slabbed. Cheers, RickO

  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For those interested in current research of "genuine" 1776 Continental "Dollars" I highly recommend a series of articles in The Numismatist on this subject. The latest is "The Myth of the Continental Dollar Part 4"..."Evidence indicates that the design of the mysterious 18th-century issue appears to have originated in Germany."

    Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since reading about the Continental Dollar in The Numismatist articles, I have come to the conclusion that this piece is massively overrated and over priced. The Comitia Americana medals are far more desirable.

    I had a dealer asking almost $200,000 for one at one of the FUN shows. I thought the price was out of line then, and I think that it's WAY out of line now.

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