Post a Coin That SHOULD BE in CoinFacts but is NOT included.

keyman64

I have a number of coins that I feel should be a part of PCGS CoinFacts and just aren't.

When I get a coin, I think, this has to be included in CoinFacts and it just isn't there.
Yes, I know not all can be included and some people do not want their coins in there.
I am not just talking about only the TOP POP PLATE COINS. When you click on the link that says "View More Images" under the plate coin and see other graded examples in descending order...the coin isn't there.

Show a coin that is so freaking cool that it should absolutely be a part of CoinFacts but is not.

I would think the photo department would have some say in what gets included but maybe it is just one person over CoinFacts? Does anyone know? When I scroll through most of CoinFacts and see mostly white silver coins when I know other great examples exist, it makes me wonder why.

I'll start with this one.

AlanSki

I know a PCGS photo processor. I’ll ask him your question.

MFeld

Why do you care?

FlyingAl

The photos that appear on CoinFacts are those that are currently in registry sets. At least, that is what I've seen and heard.

keyman64

@MFeld said:
Why do you care?

Thank you for your always witty replies. Because I am entertained by this hobby, I enjoy looking at coins, I enjoy understanding the types of toning that are more prevalent on certain dates, I like to identify more easily what is considered to be rare toning for a date, how my coins might stack up against other examples of the same date. I like to find cert numbers of interest, sometimes track them down and see if I can make an acquisition if the other person has a publicly shared set. Other times it is fun to just make a contact with another like-minded human being.

Floridafacelifter

Here’s one- not only does it not appear in CoinFacts but it’s unique and the category doesn’t even exist in CoinFacts:
1878-S VAM-58 SP65 CAC

I don’t mind- I think it adds to the coolness factor!

keyman64

@FlyingAl said:
The photos that appear on CoinFacts are those that are currently in registry sets. At least, that is what I've seen and heard.

Nope. I can drop my coins into public sets and they do not magically show up in CoinFacts.

keyman64

@Floridafacelifter said:
Here’s one- not only does it not appear in CoinFacts but it’s unique and the category doesn’t even exist in CoinFacts:
1878-S VAM-58 SP65 CAC

I have also heard it mentioned on these forums when there are coins/categories not included in CoinFacts. Neat coin.

scotty4449

I think the coin in my profile pic deserves to be showcased in CoinFacts.

1838 No Drapery, Large Stars Half Dime MS67

yspsales

Seems like they refresh and kick some out.

Had a few VAM's go poof

My garish avatar did not make it.

keyman64

@scotty4449 said:
I think the coin in my profile pic deserves to be showcased in CoinFacts.

1838 No Drapery, Large Stars Half Dime MS67

Nice one!

TomB

Aside from the top three graded pieces, I thought only coins that were in currently published (open to the public) registry sets show up in CoinFacts.

WaterSport

If my memory is correct? (chime in if I got this wrong) - But years ago Legend Coin Dealer Laura pitched a tissy that her well to do collectors/buyers did not like commoners peeking at their coins’ TrueView’s and since she was close with Hall & Company (PCGS) plenty of TrueView’s went POOF. How it is determined what shows up on your search, and what does not is another great mystery be it your coin or someone else’s. We all missed researching the photo archives back then and I dare say some sort of digital overload could be an issue as well. But my money is still on Laura.

WS

keyman64

@WaterSport said:
If my memory is correct? (chime in if I got this wrong) - But years ago Legend Coin Dealer Laura pitched a tissy that her well to do collectors/buyers did not like commoners peeking at their coins’ TrueView’s and since she was close with Hall & Company (PCGS) plenty of TrueView’s went POOF. How it is determined what shows up on your search, and what does not is another great mystery be it your coin or someone else’s. We all missed researching the photo archives back then and I dare say some sort of digital overload could be an issue as well. But my money is still on Laura.

WS

It wasn't just Laura as it was others as well. But yes, the premise you state is correct. That is when the recently made True Views feature went poof. I enjoyed browsing those new photos every week, It was so much fun. It is because of a few that we can't have nice things (fun entertainment).

lilolme

When you are logged into your pcgs account (or should I say collectors.com account now), then go to preferences page and you have a couple choices related to photos.

Include all Inventory images in My Album on public site, regardless if item is registered in a set

Import TrueView or PCGS Gold Shield images when adding my new items
Note: Checking this will also import TrueView for existing items.

coinbuf

@TomB said:
Aside from the top three graded pieces, I thought only coins that were in currently published (open to the public) registry sets show up in CoinFacts.

This is what I thought as well, however that is not the case now. I don't use the registry very much but do have a few public sets, most of those coins (even the CAC ones) do not show up on coinfacts.

TomB

@WaterSport said:
If my memory is correct? (chime in if I got this wrong) - But years ago Legend Coin Dealer Laura pitched a tissy that her well to do collectors/buyers did not like commoners peeking at their coins’ TrueView’s and since she was close with Hall & Company (PCGS) plenty of TrueView’s went POOF. How it is determined what shows up on your search, and what does not is another great mystery be it your coin or someone else’s. We all missed researching the photo archives back then and I dare say some sort of digital overload could be an issue as well. But my money is still on Laura.

WS

Your memory is correct in that there used to be a complete archive of TrueViews on the PCGS site and I have no doubt that certain higher profile dealers were mighty displeased that this archive existed since it gave folks an indication as to what coins were upgraded and how many times they might have been resubmitted in the hope of an upgrade. I also believe PCGS thought that by having all coins within the archive and being able to see that the grades of particular coins changed led to the belief within PCGS that they were admitting they were not accurate graders. Hence, by removing a completely open resource both PCGS and certain dealers would be happy.

However, PCGS has already stated (though I cannot find it at hand) that the current TrueView archive is comprised of the top three graded coins as well as all coins that are in published (publicly viewable and accessible) registry sets. I have tested this out with my own coins and it holds true. If you have TrueView coins in your PCGS registry that are not in a published set then they do not show up with images in CoinFacts when you press "View More Images", but those same coins will show up if you publish a set with that contains the coin.

What I wrote is not sexy and it's not a conspiracy theory, but I believe it is accurate.

TomB

I was not completely correct in what I wrote above in that @lilolme has written about newer options when you go to "Preferences". I had forgotten about these options, but you can still manage your coins the way I posted in my prior comment.

MFeld

@keyman64 said:

@MFeld said:
Why do you care?

Thank you for your always witty replies. Because I am entertained by this hobby, I enjoy looking at coins, I enjoy understanding the types of toning that are more prevalent on certain dates, I like to identify more easily what is considered to be rare toning for a date, how my coins might stack up against other examples of the same date. I like to find cert numbers of interest, sometimes track them down and see if I can make an acquisition if the other person has a publicly shared set. Other times it is fun to just make a contact with another like-minded human being.

Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough reply. To me, that explains why you’d want to see other peoples’ coins on there, but not necessarily why you care about your own being included.

keyman64

@MFeld said:

@keyman64 said:

@MFeld said:
Why do you care?

Thank you for your always witty replies. Because I am entertained by this hobby, I enjoy looking at coins, I enjoy understanding the types of toning that are more prevalent on certain dates, I like to identify more easily what is considered to be rare toning for a date, how my coins might stack up against other examples of the same date. I like to find cert numbers of interest, sometimes track them down and see if I can make an acquisition if the other person has a publicly shared set. Other times it is fun to just make a contact with another like-minded human being.

Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough reply. To me, that explains why you’d want to see other peoples’ coins on there, but not necessarily why you care about your own being included.

Because I think they are more than worthy of being included. It is obviously a bit less important once I own them but I enjoy knowing they are showcased in some little way, beyond any sets I might put them in.

asheland

My $10 I would like to see in there:

Especially as it’s the only VF25 graded.

Catbert

If find many (not all) of my coins TV pics to be inferior/inaccurate to pics that my friend does for me. So, I am glad that there is an option that doesn't force them upon me for registry purposes.

BeefCurry808

Granted my coin doesn’t get lost in the mail from heritage, I pick mine.
XF40

asheland

@BeefCurry808 said:
Granted my coin doesn’t get lost in the mail from heritage, I pick mine.
XF40

Excellent!

justmenutty72

@scotty4449 said:
I think the coin in my profile pic deserves to be showcased in CoinFacts.

1838 No Drapery, Large Stars Half Dime MS67

Oh yeah! 🤩👍👍

logger7

What are the criteria for including pictures from TV'd coins in Coin facts images?

What would I like to see. I haven't looked but assume the 1825 and 1815 Bust quarter counterstamps are not in there.

Zoins

@TomB said:

@WaterSport said:
If my memory is correct? (chime in if I got this wrong) - But years ago Legend Coin Dealer Laura pitched a tissy that her well to do collectors/buyers did not like commoners peeking at their coins’ TrueView’s and since she was close with Hall & Company (PCGS) plenty of TrueView’s went POOF. How it is determined what shows up on your search, and what does not is another great mystery be it your coin or someone else’s. We all missed researching the photo archives back then and I dare say some sort of digital overload could be an issue as well. But my money is still on Laura.

WS

Your memory is correct in that there used to be a complete archive of TrueViews on the PCGS site and I have no doubt that certain higher profile dealers were mighty displeased that this archive existed since it gave folks an indication as to what coins were upgraded and how many times they might have been resubmitted in the hope of an upgrade. I also believe PCGS thought that by having all coins within the archive and being able to see that the grades of particular coins changed led to the belief within PCGS that they were admitting they were not accurate graders. Hence, by removing a completely open resource both PCGS and certain dealers would be happy.

However, PCGS has already stated (though I cannot find it at hand) that the current TrueView archive is comprised of the top three graded coins as well as all coins that are in published (publicly viewable and accessible) registry sets. I have tested this out with my own coins and it holds true. If you have TrueView coins in your PCGS registry that are not in a published set then they do not show up with images in CoinFacts when you press "View More Images", but those same coins will show up if you publish a set with that contains the coin.

What I wrote is not sexy and it's not a conspiracy theory, but I believe it is accurate.

Agree with this.

• If a coin is in the top three, PCGS will decide to showcase it or not.
• If a coin is not in the top three, it is up to the owner to list it in CoinFacts.

So for the posters wishing their coins were in CoinFacts, you have the power

Earlier, PCGS would show all TrueViewed coins in CoinFacts, but a change was made a while back that was posted on these forums.

BillJones

This 1800 half dime was pictured in "Coin Facts" but was dropped for reasons I don't understand. The coin is PCGS graded MS-64 and is an excellent example for the grade. At the time it was included, there was another MS-64 graded piece that was not nearly as nice.

robec

I’ve had several coins that at one time were in CoinFacts. As time goes by these slowly drop as newly graded coins are added. Eventually they drop off the page completely.

One thing I would like to see, being a lover of toned BN proof and MS Lincoln’s, is the inclusion of a BN and RB tab in Proof Lincoln’s after 1950.

keyman64

@robec said:
I’ve had several coins that at one time were in CoinFacts. As time goes by these slowly drop as newly graded coins are added. Eventually they drop off the page completely.

One thing I would like to see, being a lover of toned BN proof and MS Lincoln’s, is the inclusion of a BN and RB tab in Proof Lincoln’s after 1950.

Agreed. That would be cool.

dlmtorts

1957 B reverse, MS 66. Sent it in for reholdering with variety attribution. Should have, but did not, request tru-views. They took pics anyway.

AlanSki

I just had one show up in CoinFacts.

CoinHoarder

I bought this one back in 2009. For awhile after I bought it, a picture of it was on the 1938 Proof Quarter PCGS Coin Facts. Of course, I still have this coin.

Zoins

@robec said:
I’ve had several coins that at one time were in CoinFacts. As time goes by these slowly drop as newly graded coins are added. Eventually they drop off the page completely.

By drop off do you mean as one of the top 3 showcase coins?

They shouldn't drop off the "More Images" page.

Barberian

Newly added and/or infrequently attributed die marriages will lack multiple examples in Coin facts. The 1874-S WB-3 is a common die marriage (an R3) for the date yet is represented in Coin Facts by only two examples: a decent EF45, and a dark, pitted VG10 (borderline environmental damage) that I submitted to facilitate the attributor's comparison with the very similar and very rare WB-4 that was the primary coin in the submission. I found it amusing that that ugly WB3 (shown below) is now the #2 coin shown in Coin Facts for that die marriage.

robec

@Zoins said:

@robec said:
I’ve had several coins that at one time were in CoinFacts. As time goes by these slowly drop as newly graded coins are added. Eventually they drop off the page completely.

By drop off do you mean as one of the top 3 showcase coins?

They shouldn't drop off the "More Images" page.

I did mean dropping from the Top 3 and enter the “More Images” page.

But if you will notice, coins in the Top 3 aren’t always in the “More Images” page. Some are in and some aren’t. It’s not far fetched to believe that the ones appearing on the plate page but not the “More” page will eventually be dropped completely as newly like graded (or higher) coins are made.

TomB

@robec said:

@Zoins said:

@robec said:
I’ve had several coins that at one time were in CoinFacts. As time goes by these slowly drop as newly graded coins are added. Eventually they drop off the page completely.

By drop off do you mean as one of the top 3 showcase coins?

They shouldn't drop off the "More Images" page.

I did mean dropping from the Top 3 and enter the “More Images” page.

But if you will notice, coins in the Top 3 aren’t always in the “More Images” page. Some are in and some aren’t. It’s not far fetched to believe that the ones appearing on the plate page but not the “More” page will eventually be dropped completely as newly like graded (or higher) coins are made.

My understanding of what you describe is that the top three graded pieces that have TVs of them are placed on the coin page regardless of if they are in a public set or public inventory. Therefore, as coins grade higher or newly graded coins match their grades, these coins fall off entirely since they are not publicly viewable whereas they would simply move to the More Images page if they were publicly viewable.

lilolme

@TomB said:

@robec said:

@Zoins said:

@robec said:
I’ve had several coins that at one time were in CoinFacts. As time goes by these slowly drop as newly graded coins are added. Eventually they drop off the page completely.

By drop off do you mean as one of the top 3 showcase coins?

They shouldn't drop off the "More Images" page.

I did mean dropping from the Top 3 and enter the “More Images” page.

But if you will notice, coins in the Top 3 aren’t always in the “More Images” page. Some are in and some aren’t. It’s not far fetched to believe that the ones appearing on the plate page but not the “More” page will eventually be dropped completely as newly like graded (or higher) coins are made.

My understanding of what you describe is that the top three graded pieces that have TVs of them are placed on the coin page regardless of if they are in a public set or public inventory. Therefore, as coins grade higher or newly graded coins match their grades, these coins fall off entirely since they are not publicly viewable whereas they would simply move to the More Images page if they were publicly viewable.

Agree. Years ago I had an older tied for top pop coin that I sent in with a group of regrades (hoping for that plus that didn't happen). After regrading it again appeared in the top 3. So not saying it is 100% this way but the last ones graded is definitely a consideration.

robec

@TomB said:

@robec said:

@Zoins said:

@robec said:
I’ve had several coins that at one time were in CoinFacts. As time goes by these slowly drop as newly graded coins are added. Eventually they drop off the page completely.

By drop off do you mean as one of the top 3 showcase coins?

They shouldn't drop off the "More Images" page.

I did mean dropping from the Top 3 and enter the “More Images” page.

But if you will notice, coins in the Top 3 aren’t always in the “More Images” page. Some are in and some aren’t. It’s not far fetched to believe that the ones appearing on the plate page but not the “More” page will eventually be dropped completely as newly like graded (or higher) coins are made.

My understanding of what you describe is that the top three graded pieces that have TVs of them are placed on the coin page regardless of if they are in a public set or public inventory. Therefore, as coins grade higher or newly graded coins match their grades, these coins fall off entirely since they are not publicly viewable whereas they would simply move to the More Images page if they were publicly viewable.

That sounds right. I have no other explanation why some that appear as part of the 3 on the first page aren’t on the “More Images” page at all.

I have also had coins drop off the “More Images” page. I’m not sure if it has anything to do with a new owner not wanting them viewable to the public or if they’ve passed a time barrier.

Smudge

This one was until I bought it. It had been in a registry set set until I bought it so I guess they do have to be in a registry set, because it’s not in coinfacts anymore.

robec

@Smudge said:

This one was until I bought it. It had been in a registry set set until I bought it so I guess they do have to be in a registry set, because it’s not in coinfacts anymore.

I have some in CF that aren’t in any of my Registries.

19Lyds

I was going to offer this one but thanks to David Frohman, it's there now.

https://pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1971-s-1-prototype-strike-dmr-039-odv-011-rdv-007/519088

Zoins

@19Lyds said:
I was going to offer this one but thanks to David Frohman, it's there now.

https://pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1971-s-1-prototype-strike-dmr-039-odv-011-rdv-007/519088

Congrats to you and @DFrohman!

It's an important and gorgeous coin!

BillJones

@robec said:

@TomB said:

@robec said:

@Zoins said:

@robec said:
I’ve had several coins that at one time were in CoinFacts. As time goes by these slowly drop as newly graded coins are added. Eventually they drop off the page completely.

By drop off do you mean as one of the top 3 showcase coins?

They shouldn't drop off the "More Images" page.

I did mean dropping from the Top 3 and enter the “More Images” page.

But if you will notice, coins in the Top 3 aren’t always in the “More Images” page. Some are in and some aren’t. It’s not far fetched to believe that the ones appearing on the plate page but not the “More” page will eventually be dropped completely as newly like graded (or higher) coins are made.

My understanding of what you describe is that the top three graded pieces that have TVs of them are placed on the coin page regardless of if they are in a public set or public inventory. Therefore, as coins grade higher or newly graded coins match their grades, these coins fall off entirely since they are not publicly viewable whereas they would simply move to the More Images page if they were publicly viewable.

That sounds right. I have no other explanation why some that appear as part of the 3 on the first page aren’t on the “More Images” page at all.

I have also had coins drop off the “More Images” page. I’m not sure if it has anything to do with a new owner not wanting them viewable to the public or if they’ve passed a time barrier.

They dropped the 1800 half dime in MS-64 I posted disappeared. I didn’t ask for it to be removed, and they don’t display an MS-64 now.

Zoins

@BillJones said:

@robec said:

@TomB said:

@robec said:

@Zoins said:

@robec said:
I’ve had several coins that at one time were in CoinFacts. As time goes by these slowly drop as newly graded coins are added. Eventually they drop off the page completely.

By drop off do you mean as one of the top 3 showcase coins?

They shouldn't drop off the "More Images" page.

I did mean dropping from the Top 3 and enter the “More Images” page.

But if you will notice, coins in the Top 3 aren’t always in the “More Images” page. Some are in and some aren’t. It’s not far fetched to believe that the ones appearing on the plate page but not the “More” page will eventually be dropped completely as newly like graded (or higher) coins are made.

My understanding of what you describe is that the top three graded pieces that have TVs of them are placed on the coin page regardless of if they are in a public set or public inventory. Therefore, as coins grade higher or newly graded coins match their grades, these coins fall off entirely since they are not publicly viewable whereas they would simply move to the More Images page if they were publicly viewable.

That sounds right. I have no other explanation why some that appear as part of the 3 on the first page aren’t on the “More Images” page at all.

I have also had coins drop off the “More Images” page. I’m not sure if it has anything to do with a new owner not wanting them viewable to the public or if they’ve passed a time barrier.

They dropped the 1800 half dime in MS-64 I posted disappeared. I didn’t ask for it to be removed, and they don’t display an MS-64 now.

If you mean coin number 4264, the top 3 showcased now have the grades below, so what you describe could happen in the following scenario.

• Owner does not make PCGS MS64 available on CoinFacts
• PCGS makes exception for top 3 specimens, so it appears on main page, but still not the More Images page
• When coin is no longer in top 3, PCGS no longer uses exception
• Coin reverts to standard state where owner needs to publish

Current PCGS CoinFacts showcase coins:

• PCGS MS68 - Ex. Norweb
• PCGS MS65+ - Legend Regency 34
• PCGS MS65 - Hansen

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1800-h10c/4264

Zoins

@robec said:

@Smudge said:

This one was until I bought it. It had been in a registry set set until I bought it so I guess they do have to be in a registry set, because it’s not in coinfacts anymore.

I have some in CF that aren’t in any of my Registries.

The top 3 showcase coins don't need to be in a Registry Set, but also aren't in the full list of images (More Images).

Are your CF coins that aren't in Registry Sets in the full image list, or just the showcase?

robec

@Zoins said:

@robec said:

@Smudge said:

This one was until I bought it. It had been in a registry set set until I bought it so I guess they do have to be in a registry set, because it’s not in coinfacts anymore.

I have some in CF that aren’t in any of my Registries.

The top 3 showcase coins don't need to be in a Registry Set, but also aren't in the full list of images (More Images).

Are your CF coins that aren't in Registry Sets in the full image list, or just the showcase?

They are in the full image list.
Here are a couple as an example. The middle coins. Actually, the bottom Lincoln is also one not in any registry.

lilolme

@robec
The above cert numbers indicate that they are in a users private inventory.
If they are showing up in CF under the view other images, then I suspect that in your Preferences that the box is checked to display them. If it is not, then I don't know.

See previous post:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13327491/#Comment_13327491

Include all Inventory images in My Album on public site, regardless if item is registered in a set

Connecticoin

I think that if you share your submission grading results, the new Trueviews get loaded into Coinfacts. At least that is what has happened with my recent submissions with Trueviews.

robec

@lilolme said:
@robec
The above cert numbers indicate that they are in a users private inventory.
If they are showing up in CF under the view other images, then I suspect that in your Preferences that the box is checked to display them. If it is not, then I don't know.

See previous post:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13327491/#Comment_13327491

Include all Inventory images in My Album on public site, regardless if item is registered in a set

I’m in complete agreement with you. I only posted these in response to a previous post wondering if coins appear in CF because they are in a Registry.

lilolme

@robec said:

@lilolme said:
@robec
The above cert numbers indicate that they are in a users private inventory.
If they are showing up in CF under the view other images, then I suspect that in your Preferences that the box is checked to display them. If it is not, then I don't know.

See previous post:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13327491/#Comment_13327491

Include all Inventory images in My Album on public site, regardless if item is registered in a set

I’m in complete agreement with you. I only posted these in response to a previous post wondering if coins appear in CF because they are in a Registry.

Ah, sorry I tried to follow the thread but sometimes that is easier said than done.