Is this an example of natural or artificial toning?
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Could someone help me with their expertise? I don’t wanna be feeling stupid if I got it to find it is some bs 😆 
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Artificial
It looks like an ugly attempt at artificial tarnish.... Which would make it UAAT.
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It looks like liver of sulfur toning. Artificial.
Figured it was just some has been trying to swindle people. Well I have one more example to show if anyone views my discussion
Looks AT too
Clearly AT, but It’s bullion and doesn’t matter. If you find enjoyment in the colors, then good for you! 🙂
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The first one is definitely AT, the second one probably AT, if there was about 50% less color I might say Natural Toning but as it is that's pretty wild...
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The first is definitely AT. The second is probably AT.
Glaring examples of AT, someone was baking coins in a potato for fun and profit
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Hard boiled eggs in a Tupperware container with your coin produces a lighter toning than your examples. Colors too vivid ( yes , we experimented).
AT all the way.
I would like to add the catalog guys are selling AT ( advertised as such) ase’s so it would seem to becoming a regular deal.
I don’t care AT or natural ( which is a huge discussion point) their all natural or their all artificial . If I like it, I buy it. Because……,.
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1 AT
2 Possible NT
Ugly, ugly artificial toning.
AT
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Hey, at least you hadn't bought them yet... I like the looks of the second if the colors were just slightly more muted.
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You should ask yourself. In 22 years ( ase 1990) how would this intense color occur? What natural thing happened to cause what your seeing
After looking at many different toners you will get better and don’t stop looking for toners. I collect em and as I said, don’t care how it happened. Only that it’s pleasing to me 😉🙀🦫
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My 1990, it's been sitting in coin drawers for over 30 years now. I'm not saying the OP's coins are NT, but the intense colors do happen without chemistry.
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Yes, those cardboard holders do artificially toned a coin naturally.
I still think it's a silly distinction. The agency of the low-grade high sulfur cardboard creates the toning. That is equivalent to putting it in a potato at room temperature. But it is called "natural" (by some) even though it is man made.
paper/cardboard toning. Might be intentional, might not.
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It is silly, isn't it? If you deliberately put a coin in a holder you know will cause toning with the intention that the coin ends up toned, it's AT but if it just happens to get put in a comparable holder with no particularly intended outcome and winds up toned, it's NT.
Yeah, sure.
Just like artificially white coins.
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Horrible attempt at AT
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I've seen this type of toning before. Not sure if the same method was used but it looks like it was dipped and purposely not rinsed off. AT
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Usually natural toning has more muted coloration and also has more gradual changes from one color to another. Hard toning edges are usually a good sign of high likelihood of artificial toning.
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LOL. By your reasoning everything is AT then, because all coins start out brilliant. One doesn't accidentally place a coin inside a potato... but they can put a brilliant coin in paper 2x2 envelope or their newly purchased Wayte Raymond or Library Of Coins album in the 30s/40s/50s/60s with no foreknowledge of how it would look decades later. Even the earliest ASEs are now 36 years old...that' s plenty of time for them to acquire toning on their own that is natural (like that of JeffersonFrog's piece- nice coin btw.)
I think for most people, when they think of AT they think of something purposely done, perhaps with the intent to deceive, hide issues, etc.. As the name implies, NT pieces happen naturally, as a byproduct of whatever environment/album/holder/folder/envelope they were stored in. Remember the killer rainbow toned Oregon Trail that sold for, I believe, $69,000 some time back that would have been less than $10K at the time if brilliant? Or the $54K toner FB Merc being discussed elsewhere on these forums? Would that have brought the same money untoned?
As to the OP coin... toning from a bottle IMO.
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Of course that happens. But then again, other people intentionally put coins in Wayte Raymond or Library Of Coins albums because they know it will tone them. Doesn't seem (to me, anyway) to be anything natural about that.
Putting a coin inside an old album hoping it might tone an attractive color months or years down the line isn't the same as taking the coin and dousing it with chemicals to hide an issue or problem and/or with the intent to hornswoggle someone.
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No, it's not. And (aside from the intention to tone the coin) I'm not suggesting otherwise.
I suppose it gets down to philosophy.
There’s those who say any act by man is divinely driven and therefore natural.
There’s those who believe that everything is random and therefore possible natural but doesn’t explain AT.
Then there’s those who don’t believe and therefore it doesn’t matter. Making judgment calls about it is up to individual preferences.
Then there’s me who don’t care about AT or NT. I buy what I like.
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AT. Artificial