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Anyone seen this? ('collector sealed' coins)

spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 4, 2022 6:55AM in U.S. Coin Forum

https://www.ebay.com/itm/255658666673

This is the first time in my short journey I've seen something like this. Is this just another sales gimmick? Or is there potentially something to this?

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  • MS66MS66 Posts: 200 ✭✭✭

    It's a gimmick, from a somewhat notorious seller. They juice their pics, among other things.

    Their two most recent feedback...

    https://i.ibb.co/ZgngvSc/Capture-2022-08-04-04-09-58-2.png

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    WE GUARANTEE AUTHENTICITY ONLY! WE DO NOT GUARANTEE GRADES FROM THIRD PARTY SERVICES. IF YOU BID ON A COIN WITH THE INTENTION OF HAVING IT GRADED BY A THIRD PARTY SERVICE YOU DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK! ALL DESCRIPTIONS ARE OUR OPINIONS ONLY.

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    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

  • ndeaglesndeagles Posts: 297 ✭✭✭✭

    With there was a way I could block this notorious seller so their items never showed up in my searches. There are at least 2 others with modified pictures i would block a well.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nasty pictures for sure.... Would pass that right on by if I were looking.... Cheers, RickO

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ndeagles said:
    With there was a way I could block this notorious seller so their items never showed up in my searches. There are at least 2 others with modified pictures i would block a well.

    I am not an ebay'er but remember seeing something on this. Search turned up a couple of similar. A little older thread so don't know if anything has changed.

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/11091771/#Comment_11091771

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/9618208/#Comment_9618208

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  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    ProTip: When posting a fleaBay link, drop the ? and everything after it. Nobody here needs to give them marketing data, esp. when it links back to you, personally. And it's just going to induce them to send you more email since "it works on you".

    Done. Thanks.

  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MS66 said:
    It's a gimmick, from a somewhat notorious seller. They juice their pics, among other things.

    Their two most recent feedback...

    https://i.ibb.co/ZgngvSc/Capture-2022-08-04-04-09-58-2.png

    That's what I thought. Thanks.

  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As my Grandpa used to say, "there are two sides to every story".

    • As to the OP's original question, I have NOT seen a "collector sealed" coin on eBay. A positive spin for this would be "marketing", a negative spin would be "gimmicky".
    • The eBay listing in question pictures a 1928-P Peace, but does not specify ANY date/mint, so expect a 1922, 1923, 1924 or 1925.
    • There's no question the seller's photos are designed to make the coins look stunning. (okay, juiced)
    • The seller's feedback is overwhelmingly positive. About 1 negative per 20,0000 feedbacks, 1 neutral per 10,0000 feedbacks.
    • I wanted to "see what was going on", so I bought a coin from them a couple of weeks ago. They sent the wrong coin. They quickly fixed the problem and sent me a very nice, above-average coin for the series/date/mint.
    • The coin pictured in the OP's original listing appears to be a 1928 BU Peace Dollar, with a strike-through (?) on the 2. Even an MS60 1928 Peace dollar has a $525 Price Guide value. DON'T BE THINKING YOU WILL RECEIVE A 1928 PEACE DOLLAR!

    Bottom line: This seller does juice his pictures, but seems to have decent inventory. If this bothers you, click away from his listing(s). eBay is still the most viable market around for raw coins (IMO), and this guy has many satisfied customers. Pay attention, don't expect a cherry-pick for every purchase, and you should be satisfied. Oh, and he does allow returns.

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  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffersonFrog thanks for the first hand experience. Truth be told I bought an ms65 morgan that he claimed has a clean cheek and was (I know marketing) worst undergrade... It's an old green pcgs holder too.

    I will report in if it's as advertised. Should be here next Monday. If he fixes issues without trouble that's a good sign (like sending the wrong coin). Keeping my fingers crossed.

    As for the op posting I will definitely avoid those. I assume they photoshopped the date off the coin which was a big red flag.

  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An unexpected update, thanks to eBay's "intelligent ads". This popped up when I went to look at the OP link. It looks like the same coin and packaging, but from a different seller with a more realistic photo (?). I asked the seller - who wants $249.99 + $11.96 ship BIN - if the coin being sold is a 1928-P. If he answers, I'll report back.

    the link was ungodly long. put COLLECTOR SEALED MEGA RARITY WOW in your eBay search

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffersonFrog left is your package and right is the other seller?

  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spyglassdesign said:
    @JeffersonFrog left is your package and right is the other seller?

    Left is the coin from the eBay listing in your original post. Right is the coin that popped up in the eBay "you might like" ads when I looked at the listing in your original post. Neither is my package, just two seller's images of [I think] the same coin.

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The second seller said the coin is a 1923-P. Upon closer inspection, it looks like both are. I'm bowing out, my tired eyes deceive me. : )

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 4, 2022 9:06AM

    4 listing of identical coin …… better stay away; something is up

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 4, 2022 9:06AM

    .

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1630Boston said:
    WE GUARANTEE AUTHENTICITY ONLY! WE DO NOT GUARANTEE GRADES FROM THIRD PARTY SERVICES. IF YOU BID ON A COIN WITH THE INTENTION OF HAVING IT GRADED BY A THIRD PARTY SERVICE YOU DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK! ALL DESCRIPTIONS ARE OUR OPINIONS ONLY.

    Are there any sellers of raw coins who do guarantee grades from a TPG?

  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG I haven't seen any. The closest I've seen was a seller who said his GSA 'WILL GRADE'. He didn't promise a grade just that it would. :neutral:

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 4, 2022 10:01AM

    I’ve done lots of business with these folks. Great service, easy to deal with. No hassle returns.
    The five Morgan’s and Peace Dollar I have received are way nice. Clean cheek. Popped em out the holders ( blue or green or ?) rinsed with acetone and at $25-35 each , I’m thrilled with them.
    At least a dozen proof Roosie’s. Just fantastic quality.
    They have massive positive feedback.
    The dollars were 1900 1922,23

    There’s threads ripping these folks but not my experience. Great prices

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  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jzyskowski1 good to hear. I purchased a graded coin from him, due Monday... then I started looking through his other auctions and saw this ans had huge questions lol

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Probably some of the goofiest quality pictures. Really bad. Agreed 😁
    

    I’ve inquired several times about the homemade packaging but it’s a company secret.
    Read the feedback on some different slabs they have sold as I’ve never bought a tpg slab from them. All I know for sure is returning is easy as long as the terms and conditions are met. I hope it works out but there’s a poster around here that mentions “the box of chocolates thing “ and he’s correct. In this case I hope you receive “a chocolate “to your liking 😉🙀🦫

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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spyglassdesign said:
    @MasonG I haven't seen any. The closest I've seen was a seller who said his GSA 'WILL GRADE'. He didn't promise a grade just that it would. :neutral:

    That's a pretty safe promise to make.

  • SapyxSapyx Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Collector sealed" literally means nothing. Are you a coin collector? If so, you can go down to your local megastore and buy yourself one of those heat-sealer machines like they use to preserve food. Then get yourself some plastic coin flips, and you, too, can make your very own "collector sealed" coins.

    Best of all, when your "limited edition one of 2500" coins all sell out, there is literally nothing stopping you from making more.

    I wouldn't necessarily recommend doing this, though. If you haven't done your homework about the chemistry of the plastic used in the coin flips, then it's entirely possible the heat-sealer might release vapours harmful to the coin when it melts the plastic, trapping those vapours in the little bubble of air along with the coin.

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  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 300 ✭✭✭

    @Sapyx said:

    I wouldn't necessarily recommend doing this, though. If you haven't done your homework about the chemistry of the plastic used in the coin flips, then it's entirely possible the heat-sealer might release vapours harmful to the coin when it melts the plastic, trapping those vapours in the little bubble of air along with the coin.

    Then you get psychedelic toning in the bargain!

  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 300 ✭✭✭

    @JeffersonFrog said:

    the link was ungodly long. put COLLECTOR SEALED MEGA RARITY WOW in your eBay search

    The third post in this very thread includes instructions on sharing links, and how to delete the tracking data. It's very easy.

  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @conrad99 said:

    @JeffersonFrog said:

    the link was ungodly long. put COLLECTOR SEALED MEGA RARITY WOW in your eBay search

    The third post in this very thread includes instructions on sharing links, and how to delete the tracking data. It's very easy.

    And it was fixed immediately after I saw that post.

  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 300 ✭✭✭

    @ndeagles said:
    With there was a way I could block this notorious seller so their items never showed up in my searches. There are at least 2 others with modified pictures i would block a well.

    People have been asking ebay for a way to block unscrupulous sellers for decades now. Once I was informed that using buyer blocking would accomplish this w.r.t. sellers but it didn't work. Then again it doesn't always work w.r.t buyers either.

  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 300 ✭✭✭

    @spyglassdesign said:

    @conrad99 said:

    @JeffersonFrog said:

    the link was ungodly long. put COLLECTOR SEALED MEGA RARITY WOW in your eBay search

    The third post in this very thread includes instructions on sharing links, and how to delete the tracking data. It's very easy.

    And it was fixed immediately after I saw that post.

    Yep, we are talking about a different link here.

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