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1890-CC Morgan: F,F or G?


Just purchased. Something about the crowding of elements on the reverse is giving me pause.

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  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 375 ✭✭✭
    edited July 22, 2022 7:04PM

    For comparison, an 1890-CC we know to be authentic.

    Can anyone speak authoritatively about this?
    Weight is 26.55g which is OK for a slightly worn Morgan.

  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 375 ✭✭✭
    edited July 22, 2022 8:25PM

    Now here's the in-hand phone pic of the reverse.
    Not sure now if maybe I'm just imagining things.

    And another quality check:

    Edit: Sorry, F,F or G means fake, fraud, or genuine.

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks okay to me.

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 22, 2022 8:59PM

    First I am not an authority. But a little information and then you can look it over to see if anything matches up.

    I don't see any problems with it from these photos. The known example you are showing has a different cc position / location. This one is closer (and could be the same).
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    Looking at the date and the position of the 1 it is almost centered between two dentils. That is the center of the 1 is between two dentils. So looking at VAM world I only found VAM 7 and VAM 9 to have the 1 in this position and they are 'near' dates or almost 'near' date. (Hope I didn't miss anything)
    Here are the links.

    VAM 7 (is suppose to have a double cc - see link)

    http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/1890-CC_VAM-7

    VAM 9 (is suppose to have die chips in the 8 - see link)
    Note from VAM 1 which has the c3a reverse also, the cc looks like it might not match yours but the photo is too close up for me. Not shown in VAM 9 link.

    http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/1890-CC_VAM-9

    So check to see if either of these features can be seen on your coin. If so, then that should confirm it. If not, then maybe some others will chip in on this as VAM are not my thing.

    Edit: I see vamzarockin commented while was typing the above out. Looking good.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,451 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The problem with all the CC Morgans is that they have been so heavily counterfeited that raw ones are always suspect. Comments on a board like this aren't really going to help you much when it comes time to sell. The coin needs to be slabbed by a major TPG to have good marketability.

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  • Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice date for CC Morgan. I have some raw ones but I do prefer them graded

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not see anything that would make me think it was counterfeit... If it is your coin, get it slabbed. Cheers, RickO

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My bigger concern is that the images are making it look cleaned (but genuine).
    I don’t think it’s worth submitting unless you are pretty certain it will straight grade, and it’s part of a bulk economy submission.

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF, real deal. Don't bother wasting the slabbing money. Most common of all CC's and easily sold raw.
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks OK from here.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,651 ✭✭✭✭✭

    looks ok to me

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Appears genuine to me too.

  • WilliamFWilliamF Posts: 831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like honest wear to me, not manufactured, don't get it slabbed in that low grade though, it would be a waste of time and money.

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  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Appears genuine and technical VF but appears dipped from photos. Agree not worth slabbing.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,451 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An ANACS slab would probably help marketability without costing too much.

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  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 375 ✭✭✭

    Sorry to bump my own thread, but wanted to say thanks to everyone who contributed here. Educational for me.

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