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Real or Fake?: 1797 FLOWING HAIR LIBERTY ONE DOLLAR

This 1797 FLOWING HAIR LIBERTY ONE DOLLAR is listed in a local auction, does it appear to be real or fake?
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  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,908 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2022 11:02AM

    Welcome to the forum! :)

    Photos aren't the greatest but I would say fake.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,878 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,651 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Like the news 😳

  • This is in the same auction

    i-Pj1-Yju-PR1-Nb-Yh06-Mq-Ed-Q43-H-1
    b-G0g2-ZPT4-C2-Rmgov-E1-QVej-Qf

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,948 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake and it looks like it came from the same source as the first one---China.

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  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Off-center bust obverse only used for 1795, so the 1797 is an obvious fake. The "vampire bite marks" on the 1795 give it away as a fake as well.

    Curious what auction these are in?

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's the Coinfacts page for the 1795... the "vampire bites" are a known diagnostic for fakes.

    The 1797... had me counting stars... ;-)

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  • MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fakes but will probably bring moon money at a local auction.

  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To je govno. They are cast counterfeits, and I don't even need to see either coin in person.

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  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They have the look of Chinese fakes.

    Vplite99
  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You should inform them that they have counterfeits in their auction. Their reaction, or lack thereof, will tell you what sort of operation they are.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    That's a poorly made counterfeit.

    To you and many here, yes.
    To the novice, no.

    peacockcoins

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,948 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Elcontador said:
    To je govno. They are cast counterfeits, and I don't even need to see either coin in person.

    More likely they are struck from dies which are cast.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you don't know by now then quit while you are ahead.

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @MFeld said:
    That's a poorly made counterfeit.

    To you and many here, yes.
    To the novice, no.

    I wouldn’t put it that way. Looking at the range of quality of various counterfeits, this coin is low quality/poorly made. It may be that a novice doesn’t have the experience to recognize that, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s an obvious, bad fake.

    Your wording is similar to someone asking if a VF coin is uncirculated. One could reply it’s obviously circulated (unlike, say, a 58), but you could also say that it’s not obviously circulated to a total novice.

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  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ChiKnee!

    thefinn
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Poorly made fakes... Likely out of China.... Cheers, RickO

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