The Last Time A Cheerios Dollar Was Graded

OAKSTAR

PCGS or whom it may concern-

Without giving away any company secrets, would you be able to tell us the last time PCGS graded a 2000-P Sacagawea Cheerios Dollar?

If I'm looking at all the TPG'er pop reports correctly, (in the big scheme of things) there doesn't seem to have been very many of these dollar coins graded over the years. Much less then the estimated 5,500 put in Cheerios boxes. Which tells me many more may still be floating around out there or in the bottom of some kids sock draw.

I'm just wondering if the grading of these Cheerios Dollars has completely dropped off in recent years and when that may have been.

If you can't, no problem. I understand.

Thanks!

erwindoc

I used to roll hunt for these until the presidential dollar series came out and ruined things.

JBK

@OAKSTAR said:
Which tells me many more may still be floating around out there or in the bottom of some kids sock draw.

Yes and yes.

It was several years before these were identified. The novelty of getting one was in being one of the first to have one. Once they became available by the hundreds of millions I suspect most were spent.

Being the inveterate collector that I am, I would have kept it sealed to preserve it's provenance, like I did wirh the couple Cheerios cents I got. But I expect that would have not been done by most who found one. Sooner or later most were were probably cracked out and spent.

OAKSTAR

@erwindoc said:
I used to roll hunt for these until the presidential dollar series came out and ruined things.

Not if you're looking for one of these.

OAKSTAR

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:
Which tells me many more may still be floating around out there or in the bottom of some kids sock draw.

Yes and yes.

Once they became available by the hundreds of millions I suspect most were spent.

Hundreds of millions of the Cheerios dollars???

The_Dinosaur_Man

I would imagine one getting graded in the last few years given their popularity. The VIP strikes from November 1999 should be recognized by PCGS however. Far fewer minted, all struck by hand, before the end of the millennium.

JBK

@OAKSTAR said:

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:
Which tells me many more may still be floating around out there or in the bottom of some kids sock draw.

Yes and yes.

Once they became available by the hundreds of millions I suspect most were spent.

Hundreds of millions of the Cheerios dollars???

No, Sacagawea dollars.

It was several years before "Cheerios Dollar" was anything more than a packaging gimmick.

OAKSTAR

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:
Which tells me many more may still be floating around out there or in the bottom of some kids sock draw.

Yes and yes.

Once they became available by the hundreds of millions I suspect most were spent.

Hundreds of millions of the Cheerios dollars???

It was several years before "Cheerios Dollar" was anything more than a packaging gimmick.

Very true but that packaging gimmick became a windfall for some folks.

1madman

@The_Dinosaur_Man said:
I would imagine one getting graded in the last few years given their popularity. The VIP strikes from November 1999 should be recognized by PCGS however. Far fewer minted, all struck by hand, before the end of the millennium.

I strongly agree about the VIP strikes becoming recognized. How would I go about doing this with pcgs? Who would I talk to, and what information/evidence would be necessary to show them? I want this to happen and will personally put in the effort.

MWallace

@1madman said:

@The_Dinosaur_Man said:
I would imagine one getting graded in the last few years given their popularity. The VIP strikes from November 1999 should be recognized by PCGS however. Far fewer minted, all struck by hand, before the end of the millennium.

I strongly agree about the VIP strikes becoming recognized. How would I go about doing this with pcgs? Who would I talk to, and what information/evidence would be necessary to show them? I want this to happen and will personally put in the effort.

Good luck. It's been tried many, many times with no success. SEGS is the only slab I've seen one in.

CaptHenway

I have my local bank save all small dollars for me. Someday I might find a circulated pattern dollar in there.

Just spent seven of the "generic" small dollars so acquired at McDonalds.

FlyingAl

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:
Which tells me many more may still be floating around out there or in the bottom of some kids sock draw.

Yes and yes.

Once they became available by the hundreds of millions I suspect most were spent.

Hundreds of millions of the Cheerios dollars???

No, Sacagawea dollars.

It was several years before "Cheerios Dollar" was anything more than a packaging gimmick.

Technically, one could view these as a large mintage of patterns, no? I can certainly see them being included in the loose definition of a pattern.

erwindoc

@OAKSTAR said:

@erwindoc said:
I used to roll hunt for these until the presidential dollar series came out and ruined things.

Not if you're looking for one of these.

What am I looking at you have drawn the arrow to? Something on the ray or something near it?

OAKSTAR

@erwindoc said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@erwindoc said:
I used to roll hunt for these until the presidential dollar series came out and ruined things.

Not if you're looking for one of these.

What am I looking at you have drawn the arrow to? Something on the ray or something near it?

The ray itself is unusually elongated (and apparently rare) compared to the normal Presidential Dollars.

http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page42.html

MrEureka

@OAKSTAR said:

@erwindoc said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@erwindoc said:
I used to roll hunt for these until the presidential dollar series came out and ruined things.

Not if you're looking for one of these.

What am I looking at you have drawn the arrow to? Something on the ray or something near it?

The ray itself is unusually elongated (and apparently rare) compared to the normal Presidential Dollars.

http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page42.html

Very interesting. How rare is it?

OAKSTAR

@MrEureka said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@erwindoc said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@erwindoc said:
I used to roll hunt for these until the presidential dollar series came out and ruined things.

Not if you're looking for one of these.

What am I looking at you have drawn the arrow to? Something on the ray or something near it?

The ray itself is unusually elongated (and apparently rare) compared to the normal Presidential Dollars.

http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page42.html

Very interesting. How rare is it?

No idea. I've never seen one sold or listed for sale. Very few have been attributed, graded or certified.

MFeld

@FlyingAl said:

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:
Which tells me many more may still be floating around out there or in the bottom of some kids sock draw.

Yes and yes.

Once they became available by the hundreds of millions I suspect most were spent.

Hundreds of millions of the Cheerios dollars???

No, Sacagawea dollars.

It was several years before "Cheerios Dollar" was anything more than a packaging gimmick.

Technically, one could view these as a large mintage of patterns, no? I can certainly see them being included in the loose definition of a pattern.

What would that loose definition be?

CaptHenway

@OAKSTAR said:

@erwindoc said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@erwindoc said:
I used to roll hunt for these until the presidential dollar series came out and ruined things.

Not if you're looking for one of these.

What am I looking at you have drawn the arrow to? Something on the ray or something near it?

The ray itself is unusually elongated (and apparently rare) compared to the normal Presidential Dollars.

http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page42.html

I have studied these in hand. Apparently the ray was tooled longer on one working die. No idea who or why.

OAKSTAR

@CaptHenway said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@erwindoc said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@erwindoc said:
I used to roll hunt for these until the presidential dollar series came out and ruined things.

Not if you're looking for one of these.

What am I looking at you have drawn the arrow to? Something on the ray or something near it?

The ray itself is unusually elongated (and apparently rare) compared to the normal Presidential Dollars.

http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page42.html

I have studied these in hand. Apparently the ray was tooled longer on one working die. No idea who or why.

Thanks Tom! 👍🏻

FlyingAl

@MFeld said:

What would that loose definition be?

I would say a coin struck by the mint for the purposes of testing a design, metal, or coinage idea either in a proof or circulation strike format for use internally, for distribution to persons of interest, or for sale.

Now that I think about it, the debate would rely on if the design was actually a test. Perhaps it was in some way, but it could easily be argued against it. I think my original statement is probably wrong .

ricko

I have looked for these over the years... I have a couple of the cents. Never found one... even at yard sales. I still check though when one shows up... usually at the Post Office. Cheers, RickO

OAKSTAR

I'm still hoping our host replies to my initial question.

OAKSTAR

@ricko said:
I have looked for these over the years... I have a couple of the cents. Never found one... even at yard sales. I still check though when one shows up... usually at the Post Office. Cheers, RickO

Fortunately for us collectors or unfortunately for us collectors, we rarely see these in circulation or being used in commerce. Pretty much like the Kennedy halves today.

OAKSTAR

You guys have been here longer then I. What are the chances our host will answer my initial question above?

JBK

I don't think anyone at PCGS reads random threads on the forum. You would need to proactively reach out to someone (or a department) specific.

CaptHenway

I am still trying to get in touch with PCGS re the 1943/1942-S cent.

Does anybody have a contact there I could try?

JBK

Maybe @PCGS_SocialMedia can assist?

People are asking about the 43/42S cent, and the Cheerios Dollars.

OAKSTAR

@JBK said:
I don't think anyone at PCGS reads random threads on the forum. You would need to proactively reach out to someone (or a department) specific.

@CaptHenway said:
I am still trying to get in touch with PCGS re the 1943/1942-S cent.

Does anybody have a contact there I could try?

I thought by tagging @HeatherBoyd on my initial post would help or get us in the right direction.

OAKSTAR

JBK

@OAKSTAR said:

@JBK said:
I don't think anyone at PCGS reads random threads on the forum. You would need to proactively reach out to someone (or a department) specific.

@CaptHenway said:
I am still trying to get in touch with PCGS re the 1943/1942-S cent.

Does anybody have a contact there I could try?

I thought by tagging @HeatherBoyd on my initial post would help or get us in the right direction.

She's a moderator. If you are violating the rules I'm sure she'd be happy to address it but otherwise I'm not sure she's the best person to ask.

But who knows....

FlyingAl

@JBK said:
I don't think anyone at PCGS reads random threads on the forum. You would need to proactively reach out to someone (or a department) specific.

I'm not so sure. I found that quite a few times the news articles that PCGS puts out closely follow popular threads here on the forums. It could be a coincidence, but who knows...

OAKSTAR

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@JBK said:
I don't think anyone at PCGS reads random threads on the forum. You would need to proactively reach out to someone (or a department) specific.

@CaptHenway said:
I am still trying to get in touch with PCGS re the 1943/1942-S cent.

Does anybody have a contact there I could try?

I thought by tagging @HeatherBoyd on my initial post would help or get us in the right direction.

She's a moderator. If you are violating the rules I'm sure she'd be happy to address it but otherwise I'm not sure she's the best person to ask.

But who knows....

Maybe (hopefully) she knows someone that could help.

vulcanize

@OAKSTAR said:

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@JBK said:
I don't think anyone at PCGS reads random threads on the forum. You would need to proactively reach out to someone (or a department) specific.

@CaptHenway said:
I am still trying to get in touch with PCGS re the 1943/1942-S cent.

Does anybody have a contact there I could try?

I thought by tagging @HeatherBoyd on my initial post would help or get us in the right direction.

She's a moderator. If you are violating the rules I'm sure she'd be happy to address it but otherwise I'm not sure she's the best person to ask.

But who knows....

Maybe (hopefully) she knows someone that could help.

Or try contacting and asking @PCGS_Moderator

https://forums.collectors.com/profile/PCGS_Moderator

OAKSTAR

@vulcanize said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@JBK said:
I don't think anyone at PCGS reads random threads on the forum. You would need to proactively reach out to someone (or a department) specific.

@CaptHenway said:
I am still trying to get in touch with PCGS re the 1943/1942-S cent.

Does anybody have a contact there I could try?

I thought by tagging @HeatherBoyd on my initial post would help or get us in the right direction.

She's a moderator. If you are violating the rules I'm sure she'd be happy to address it but otherwise I'm not sure she's the best person to ask.

But who knows....

Maybe (hopefully) she knows someone that could help.

Or try contacting and asking @PCGS_Moderator

https://forums.collectors.com/profile/PCGS_Moderator

Will do. Thanks very much!! 👍🏻

PCGS_SocialMedia

@JBK said:
Maybe @PCGS_SocialMedia can assist?

People are asking about the 43/42S cent, and the Cheerios Dollars.

Thanks for tagging, our department in particular doesn't have access to the orders or grading system so we wouldn't be able to say exactly when the last time a Cheerios Dollar was graded right now. We can definitely reach out and if it's cool to share here, reply with an update. @CaptHenway if you do want to send a specific question directly feel free.

OAKSTAR

@PCGS_SocialMedia said:

@JBK said:
Maybe @PCGS_SocialMedia can assist?

People are asking about the 43/42S cent, and the Cheerios Dollars.

Thanks for tagging, our department in particular doesn't have access to the orders or grading system so we wouldn't be able to say exactly when the last time a Cheerios Dollar was graded right now. We can definitely reach out and if it's cool to share here, reply with an update. @CaptHenway if you do want to send a specific question directly feel free.

Brilliant! Thanks very much for the feedback. 👍🏻 👍🏻

smuglr

@CaptHenway Is the elongated ray on a specific presidentisl dollar in the series or is it known on a variety of the coins in the series?

CaptHenway

@PCGS_SocialMedia said:

@JBK said:
Maybe @PCGS_SocialMedia can assist?

People are asking about the 43/42S cent, and the Cheerios Dollars.

Thanks for tagging, our department in particular doesn't have access to the orders or grading system so we wouldn't be able to say exactly when the last time a Cheerios Dollar was graded right now. We can definitely reach out and if it's cool to share here, reply with an update. @CaptHenway if you do want to send a specific question directly feel free.

Thank you. Could you please put me in touch with whomever makes the decisions on what varieties to recognize? I would be happy to send that person a copy of the press release I sent out on the new discovery 1943/1942-S cent.

TD

CaptHenway

@smuglr said:
@CaptHenway Is the elongated ray on a specific presidentisl dollar in the series or is it known on a variety of the coins in the series?

Only known on the Washington.
TD

OAKSTAR

@smuglr said:
@CaptHenway Is the elongated ray on a specific presidentisl dollar in the series or is it known on a variety of the coins in the series?

In addition to what @CaptHenway said; only on the philly.

Find them now while you can. Mark this date and time.......you heard it here first!!

JBK

@OAKSTAR said:

@smuglr said:
@CaptHenway Is the elongated ray on a specific presidentisl dollar in the series or is it known on a variety of the coins in the series?

In addition to what @CaptHenway said; only on the philly.

Find them now while you can. Mark this date and time.......you heard it here first!!

Yes, we did hear it here first...many months ago.

But it's good to be reminded.

I read the write-up on SmallDollars.com - it seems to be either an intentional or unintentional extension of the "ray" (spike?). Any chance it could be an early pattern like the Cheerios Dollar?

OAKSTAR

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@smuglr said:
@CaptHenway Is the elongated ray on a specific presidentisl dollar in the series or is it known on a variety of the coins in the series?

In addition to what @CaptHenway said; only on the philly.

Find them now while you can. Mark this date and time.......you heard it here first!!

Yes, we did hear it here first...many months ago.

But it's good to be reminded.

I read the write-on SmallDollars.com - it seems to be either an intentional or unintentiextension of the "ray" (spike?). Any chance it could be an early pattern like the Cheerios Dollar?

It's a tiara ray, not a spike.

Early or late, the working die was altered at some point.

JBK

@OAKSTAR said:

Early or late, the working die was altered at some point.

I assume it was a change to the working die, but my question ultimately was if there was any chance it was at the hub level.

DennisH

I have a collection of PCGS Pop Reports in my coin library that go back to 1988. Printed copies stopped being produced in 2009. My copy from 2009 is the Spring issue. Page 153, which has pop information for all Sacagawea business strikes and proofs, doesn't have a listing line for the Cheerios variety. Is that the same as "Goodacre Presentation" (PCGS coin #99584)? If it is, then 748 total examples had been graded up to that time.

JBK

@OAKSTAR said:

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@smuglr said:
@CaptHenway Is the elongated ray on a specific presidentisl dollar in the series or is it known on a variety of the coins in the series?

In addition to what @CaptHenway said; only on the philly.

Find them now while you can. Mark this date and time.......you heard it here first!!

Early or late, the working die was altered at some point.

@DennisH said:
I have a collection of PCGS Pop Reports in my coin library that go back to 1988. Printed copies stopped being produced in 2009. My copy from 2009 is the Spring issue. Page 153, which has pop information for all Sacagawea business strikes and proofs, doesn't have a listing line for the Cheerios variety. Is that the same as "Goodacre Presentation" (PCGS coin #99584)? If it is, then 748 total examples had been graded up to that time.

No, Cheerios and Goodacre are different.

OAKSTAR

@DennisH said:
I have a collection of PCGS Pop Reports in my coin library that go back to 1988. Printed copies stopped being produced in 2009. My copy from 2009 is the Spring issue. Page 153, which has pop information for all Sacagawea business strikes and proofs, doesn't have a listing line for the Cheerios variety. Is that the same as "Goodacre Presentation" (PCGS coin #99584)? If it is, then 748 total examples had been graded up to that time.

They are different.

http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page24.html

OAKSTAR

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:

Early or late, the working die was altered at some point.

I assume it was a change to the working die, but my question ultimately was if there was any chance it was at the hub level.

It may have been physically changed on the working die itself. At this point, I don't believe there is any definitive way to determine if the hub was modified.

Edit update: A FOIA request was also submitted to the Mint and Department of Treasure requesting any and all records or documentation regarding this obvious modification.

Like @CaptHenway said: "Apparently the ray was tooled longer on one working die".

OAKSTAR

Back to the Cheerios Dollar pop/census report numbers.

How many Cheerio dollars were minted? The total number of these coins that were struck is unknown. However, the number of these coins that can potentially be in collector's hands is 5,500. That is the number of "Cheerios Dollars" released in cereal boxes.

If I'm reading the pop reports correctly.

I'm also not aware of any other TPG'er pop reports.

Totals Graded Cheerios Dollar, as of 10 Sept 23.
PCGS: 153
NGC: 45
ANACS: 12

I need a reality check. Am I missing something? Am I in the ballpark here?

A total of about 210 graded?? Which means there could be some 5,290 floating around out there today??

DCW

210 graded? That number alone surprises me. I would have thought far fewer.

That estimate of 5,500 coins must be overstated or those coins are well mixed in with the other normal coins somewhere in Ecuador

jedm

@DCW said:
210 graded? That number alone surprises me. I would have thought far fewer.

That estimate of 5,500 coins must be overstated or those coins are well mixed in with the other normal coins somewhere in Ecuador

I have an inclination to believe this is a real possibility.

DCW

@jedm said:

@DCW said:
210 graded? That number alone surprises me. I would have thought far fewer.

That estimate of 5,500 coins must be overstated or those coins are well mixed in with the other normal coins somewhere in Ecuador

I have an inclination to believe this is a real possibility.

It's not a joke. If you have been to that country, you understand that the Sac dollars are used fully in circulation. If you plan on searching rolls for this variety, I would think your chances are exponentially higher en el Banco Central del Ecuador.