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Guess the grade 1876-S $20

PedzolaPedzola Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

Another GTG thread to put me in my place! Just kidding - I enjoy sharing with all of you and always learn something from the feedback. Also continuing to make small improvements to my coin photography.

So here is the latest. Per usual you can all cheat by looking at the coin in my registry set. I'll post the slab shot sometime within the next ~day.

So here is the coin, 1876-S Type 2 $20 Liberty. What do you think?

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,399 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks very attractive and original. I'll guess MS63. B)

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62 for me. It’s a gorgeous example, I really like it!

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  • pcgscacgoldpcgscacgold Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 for me. Nice looking Liberty.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭✭✭

    61

  • DrewUDrewU Posts: 151 ✭✭✭

    Guessing 62. Nice T-2 example!

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,684 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice!

    63

  • JonBrand83JonBrand83 Posts: 453 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63+

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2022 12:03PM

    It should be AU-58, but it's probably in an MS-62 holder.

    Care to guess what the grade is on this one? I bought it in the 1980s and had it slabbed 20+ years ago. It's not graded Unc., nor should it be.


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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm at 62 for the OP coin.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it as a 58 so I’ll submit that as my guess, but as others have said, could be in a 62 holder

    @BillJones nice coin you have there but it’s kind of confusing to have two coins in a GTG thread

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I threw it up there for a comparison.

    Truly Mint State Type II $20 Liberty gold coins are truly scarce because there have been no ship wreck coins. The piece I posted is in an NGC AU-58 holder.

    If the OP coin didn't have a fair amount of rub in the hair, I would say it could make Mint State. But it does.

    I have an MS-63 Type II $20 Liberty gold in my type set. Some people said it's not Unc. after I posted it soon after the purchase.

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  • rokkyrokky Posts: 308 ✭✭✭✭

    My guess is MS62, very pretty coin.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,681 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Cool coin. 👍
  • mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Nice toning around the edges and good eye appeal!
  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ms-62

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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  • PedzolaPedzola Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone else want to try before the reveal?

  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 836 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's only a 58. LIberty's cheek looks a little rubbed.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess MS62

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,290 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I vote 62 also.... very nice coin

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  • jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

  • raysrays Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-63

  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭

    55, thanks for the chance ;)

  • jkrkjkrk Posts: 966 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AS a seller 63.

    As a buyer 55+

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    🥰 she is a beautiful 64

  • erwindocerwindoc Posts: 4,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Going to guess 58 on this one.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will call it a slider at MS61.... Cheers, RickO

  • Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2022 1:16PM

    63 was my guess before the reveal. MS62 coins which I've seen a lot of tend to have a similar look of abrasion in the fields to similar 62s and just enough pop and sizzle for the grade. Look at the reverse for confirmation. Very hard to get 63s that will cac.

    I had a group of AU58 $20 Libs type two I cracked out and resubmitted and got one or two Uncs..

  • BloodManBloodMan Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pedzola--really nice double eagle and excellent photos! The strong luster is evident from your latest images.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one is graded MS-63. At the time I bought it and posted pictures a few said that it missed the mark. There was also a CAC approved MS-63, 1873 $20 gold in the same sale. This was during the early days of CAC. I thought this one was a little nicer. That was a financial mistake in introspect.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,399 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Looks very attractive and original. I'll guess MS63. B)

    I nailed it. :D

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  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pedzola said:
    When I look at this coin it presents as a solid 63. The "wear" on the hair appears to me to be more like a bit of a weak strike. The luster is excellent, especially on the reverse.

    This is what I (and I assume many of the other posters) went back and forth about. Ultimately I erred on the side of it being wear given the slight discoloration in the hair and on the cheek, but an in-hand evaluation would be superior. Very nice coin and you can be happy to have that one in your collection.

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  • tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I chimed in before the reveal I would have said 62, 63 on a good day. It's a beautiful coin and I like it a lot.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I said 62 and agreed with those who guessed that. I'm glad I was wrong for your sake :).

  • pcgscacgoldpcgscacgold Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin. I would have been 62/63 if the grade reveal photos were used to show the coin originally. Great luster. My goal is to own one Type 2 MS63 CAC for my type set. Stuck with a 62 CAC for now.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is a huge premium for the 63s that will cac, over $3000 more than non cac.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    This one is graded MS-63. At the time I bought it and posted pictures a few said that it missed the mark. There was also a CAC approved MS-63, 1873 $20 gold in the same sale. This was during the early days of CAC. I thought this one was a little nicer. That was a financial mistake in introspect.

    I like your coin, Bill. The type IIs in unc went up a lot in the 90s in price. Clearly unc. without the high point friction on the cac coin, which has less portrait hits and clean otherwise.

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