Bruce: Thank you very much and the feeling was mutual on our end.
Justin, 10 1/2, has studied and collected neat toned coins since around the age of 5. He ranks color coins on a scale of 1-10 (the "J" Scale) and takes into account what exactly he is examining (for example the rating on a beautiful color nickel may take into account the great rarity of locating a pretty nickel coin as compared to say a silver dime). Justin, on rare occasion has given coins an "11" or even "12" to a coin (for example in the case of the 1949(d) quarter in NGC-MS68 in the NFL Collection Type set Justin rated the coin "12"). Justin got to assign as "13" to a coin for the first time at Bruce's house. There were also plenty of "10's" being assigned, left and right, as Bruce was kind enough to show us a few of his more prized pieces. Thanks again Bruce for that "Smithsonian" type display of coins for Justin, who got a bit more" education" after seeing what has kept you busy these past few years
Justin also tests for his black belt in Tae Kwan Do later this year, so he is a well disiplined good kid. Wondercoin.
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I ask"What satisfaction do you get knowing you have the best registered set?" and you turn it into what it takes to get the number one set. For a bunch of well educated people you sure do have small attention spans.
It is too bad. The thread was doomed from the first (really clueless)response to your initial post. Those who do not have an opinion, because they have no experience having a "best" registered set, just had to ruin it for interested others. The sour grapes are starting to drown some. There are many ways that having the best set is satisfying. Educating those who's boring mantra is "it takes money", is not one of them.
RegistryCoin is right. To answer the original question. It gives me a lot of satisfaction being #1 in the basic Mercury Dime set, because I've done it on a limited budget. I started yeasrs ago and upgraded as I could til I got it to where it is today. And there is still lots of room for upgrades. I'm #5 in the full set and the only reason I'm #1 in the basic, is besause the four above me in the full didn't enter theirs in the basic. I'm still very proud of my set and what I have accomplished. When and if I pursue a SLQ set, it will probably be in 64 not 66 or 67, because of my budget. Besides SLQ's in nice 64 are very pretty coins. The same goes with Walkers.
As Clint Eastwood once said in one of his movies "a mans got to know his limitations'.
Clueless, huh? How can a question directed simply to those who have "best registered sets" if answered honestly, which I did, be clueless? I tried to answer the topic thread in each of my responses, and tried to steer those off the topic to get back on track. On the other hand, how can someone answer the question if they haven't had a "best registered set"? Perhaps a separate thread is needed for those who can only speculate: Something like: "What satisfaction do you think you would get knowing you could have the best registered set"?
By my last count, Registycoin has had around (15) different #1 Registry Sets. Perhaps the question should have read:
"Registrycoin - What Satisfaction Do You Personally Get Knowing You Own Now And Have Owned In The Past Couple Years (15) of the best registered sets out there in the most popular areas of coin collecting such as Silver Commems, Jefferson Nickels, Roosevelt Dimes, Washington Quarters, Kennedy Halves, Franklin Halves, To Name Just A Few"
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But the best registry set of all is wondecoin's son. It is thrilling to read of a father tremendous pride in his son. That beats anything any of us could do in coins!!
Alas, I was blessed with girls. They are nearing 17 and I am trying to hang on for dear life with all the mood swings!
Nothing wrong with those girls either - Justin came in to tell me the other night that he was a bit concerned because his 12 year old sister was arranging her Memorial cents in the Whitman folder she got at the Long Beach show! It must be in their blood!
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kieferscoins: I tried! It did not work! I started with her at the age of 8 and it did not work. I am the exception to a long genetic line of non collectors. My wife's family? Forget it. My wife??
I went through rolls of coins with her. tried everything. Nothing worked. I brought her to the ANA show in NY in 1997. She even got lots of free nickels at the show!!! People were real nice to her. dealers included, as she was and is a charming young lady.
Yet a 13 year son of a dear friend is all into coins. I will be bringing him to the ANA show in NY. He likes it a lot but has much to learn. Too much competition from other interests.
How about if someone who actually had a number one set responds?
I spent 2 1/2 years building my #1 Lincoln Memorial MS set and managed to be lucky enough to be in the #1 spot the day the Registry picked to print out the hard copy of the Registry for 2001. I also managed to sell that set the very same day to the current #1 set holder. This gives me some insight into many different emotions about getting the Number one set and selling it. I will never be more proud then the day I received my hard copy of the Registry and my set was listed plain as day in the #1 spot. I still smile when I think that I managed to make it on a very small budget and with the help of some very good friends. (Datentype, Wondercoin and Vinnie Top the list) I also still smile when I look at the current #1 set because it has quite a few of MY SET included in it so I kinda feel still attached to the coins.
On the other hand, I get heart broken when I realize that the set is no longer mine and it belongs to someone else. I wish that I had never sold it and will regret doing so forever but life goes on. If it is meant to be, I wish to once again regain the top slot and have purchased a few coins to begin the rebuilding process. It is impossible for me now to rebuild quickly because I got injured in a car wreck and have NO INCOME right now but I still can dream. This thread got me thinking about the joy and heart break involved in the quest but I would not trade the true feelings for anything. I reached the top. I got in the book, proving I made the top, and nobody can ever take that away from me!
Those who feel this is a big buck adventure, are correct but you do not need to have lots of money at any given time to make it work for you. Just be honest with the dealers that you work with and most of the best ones will be very happy to work with you to let you make payments on the more expensive coins. If this were not true, I would have never even come close to making the #1 slot. It only takes the TRUE DESIRE to be able to do it. If you want it bad enough and are willing to make sacrifices elsewhere, the coins will be out there sooner or later. It is possible and you just need to have the desire and stick with it. You can not even begin to guess how many weeks I spent every dime from my income that did not get spent paying bills, to make my layaway payments. I had to give up a lot but I decided that being #1 was more important and that was the entire goal that I focused on until I made it. It is not easy and not everyone who sets out to make the #1 spot will make it but it is well worth the knowledge that you fought long and hard and did your absolute best that you possibly could do and if all goes well, you will know how GREAT it feels to have a #1 set.
Even after selling my set, I still get all excited just typing about it. I hope this was not to long and boring but you asked how we felt and I fit the requirement of having had a #1 set.
Mike--(2001 #1 PCGS MS Memorial Lincoln Registry Set Owner & 2007 #13 MS Memorial Lincoln Set Owner. Both Retired)
Mike: What you wrote was what this thread was all about.
It was a honor to represent you in the sale of your #1 Memorial Cent set. As you know, the set sold for a world record price at the time for Mint State Memorial Cents.
Mike: Remember one thing. We are basically in the top of the 3rd inning of this 9 inning ballgame for MS Memorial Cents. OK, you spotted some folks a couple runs by selling your set, but, your desire to once again possess a world class Memorial set WILL bring you back up to the top. And, if by chance it is only 2nd or 3rd place because that is all you can afford moving forward, it will still be a remarkable accomplishment. Wondercoin.
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I had the #1 50-piece commemorative set when the registry came out. I can't say it was a thrill because I had the only set registered at that time. What I can say is I did like posting the pictures of the coins because they are an unusual group and some collectors have never seen such coins.
I was waiting to hear from Mustangman. He is an incredible example of someone who doesn't complain about those with more money. He has been friendly, working very hard to make wage to support a family and a coin collection. It can be done without the mantra. Just ask Mustangman.
Now, I too, agree, that, in the interest of the future, my vote for the most satisfying registry set, though not registered due to a lack of appropriate catagories, goes to ToneBoy. He is the greatest, and has a toned collection that would be the envy of us all. His "J" (Justin) scale is used among those "in the know" and is usable, and trustworthy. He, and those like him, are the future of our hobby, and welcomed, if not needed. He has an understanding, at ten years old that many of us will take years to garner.
May I make a suggestion for those who would like to dream of having the best registry set of modern coin sets such as the memorial reverse cent sets but cannpt afford it. <p> How about assembling a unopened shotgun obw (original bank wrapped) roll set!!!!
It may not be that cheap but it is do-able! As long as you keep those rolls unopened no collector on this planet can ever question you that you DON'T have the finest set!!!!!!
Participating in the registry race is one "game" that we each need to evaluate to see whether it suits our individual collecting tastes. There are well-known collections that are more beautifully toned but lower in 'average grade' than the #1 sets, or have mixed NGC/PCGS coins and a higher overall average grade, and certainly the collectors who own those sets are not offended by those of us in pursuit of high PCGS numbers. I personally respect and like many of them who think I am unbalanced for restricting myself to one slab or less colorful coins that have low populations.
The "Registry" is just of many collecting stategies out there, it happens to be a very public one thanks to PCGS's marketing genuius. Collecting satisfaction comes from setting a goal that is attainable for your means and enjoying "the hunt", which is always the most rewarding part of collecting.
I have the tied for # 1 Rodney Dangerfield( I don`t get no repect ) SAC Proof Set. I spent a lot of time choosing the 3 coins (thanks Wondercoin and Supercoin) But it did not cost a fortune. This means a lot to me even considering it is probably thought of as a lightweight set by the majority of collectors. Don`t care. It`s mine and I did it. Now my Proof Ike set I am starting, would I like it to be #1? Yes. Will it? No not mathematically. But when I am finished I will put it up against any of the top sets. They will get me because of numbers(2 pr70dc) coins) that I could acquire but choose not to in order to be able to afford other coins of interest. But will they get me on having the nicest set overall? IMHO no. I am really obssessvie about eye appeal. I will spend as much time looking at a filler coin as a key date. Just because you have a higher ranking does not neccessarily mean you have the nicest coins. Remember the Higher grade # does not always mean the nicer coin. But I do have a great sense of pride and somewhat of an ego at a # 1 set. However it will mean no more to me as far as satisfaction goes as any other set I complete.
Mr H: I have the #2 commem type set on the registry but am having a lot of fun trying to locate the low pop coins for my own satisfaction, enjoying the "hunt" as I mentioned above. I don't see it as a race for #1, I am really thrilled to have a set in the top ten with the other neat collections in that group like yours.
>>>>>True about the Morgans - Mike Gilley's set is for sale and all you'd have to do is add a couple of high grade key dates to have the all time finest. Probably true with many sets in which the highest grades have multiple coins available.>>>>>>>>>
>>>>But take sets such as three cent nickels, etc. The high grade coins are locked up in strong hands and do not trade. I highly doubt Bruce Scher would sell his set for any amount. These coins (along with certain trade dollar sets ) are not available to the market and cannot be beat!>>>>>
mike`s set is for sale............i have been involved every inch of the way............it is really close but it will never get there.....annd to be frank ...thats why its for sale.........about 90 pieces are the best of the best ( i know some were mine ) and look so stellar
BUT...........it can not beat jack lee`s set because the stoppers gilley doesnt have......its those stoppers that will keep jack lee at the top for a long time to come....and by the way it will take a ton of work and several million for gilley to even attempt it..........the work is the key......you have to know where they are........i know where they are and i could talk to the owners but thats only worth about 25 k.....if they would sell or not is a different story ...so if you think its easy youll need several million and talking to a hand full of well heeled people.....not to be offending here but i can assure you that its easier to buy a hand full of proof 1885 proof trade dollars than it is to beat jack lee`s set
needed coins 84-s in 68......................700,000 86-o in 67 dmpl............700,000 89-cc in 68-----------------700,000
93-s in 68......................1,000,000 96-s in 69...................... 600,000
just to name a few........and thats just to tie 1/3 of the set aka --mint state ...thats not even talking about pl and dmpl coins which were complete and gilly has none!!!.....try another 4 million for those too!!
thats just to get you started...................so be honest
>>all you'd have to do is add a couple of high grade key dates to have the all time finest. >>>>
the above quote by you isnt the brightest thing to of said .....now is it!!!!!
gregg
( hatads) have a take and dont suck
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
great thread.....lots of good stuff......some peoples goals differ by their checkbook.....however mine has never been to be some numerically numbered #1
i use the "FA" and the "woody scale"..............my goal is to get you to say fu%king awesome for each coin you look at and see how long it lasts with the woody scale............you guys understand....crude but true!!!
i have seen many sets that have been done on limited funds score very high marks on the FA and WOODY scales and i can assure you that i appreciated all the work that went into them
i saw a dime set last week by steve p that almost ripped the zipper out of the woody scale..............and i can tell you he had 10 years and a coupla grand in it
ttyl gregg
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
all you'd have to do is add a couple of high grade key dates to have the all time finest.
the above quote by you isnt the brightest thing to of said .....now is it!!!!!
Hmmm... I make an accurate statement and you say it's stupid? Care to back that up? I'll back mine up:
When I made my comment, Mike didn't have a 93-S in his set - now he has an AU53. If he upgraded his AU53 to AU58, he'd pass Jack Lee in the all time finest ranking on the Set Registry. Do the math.
Now if you're claiming that Jack had a better set even if Mike upgrades that one coin .....well, that just can't be - we all know that if a set has the highest rating that it's the better set!
BTW - please refrain from posting hard core swear words - even if disguised. We have lots of young numismatists on this forum that get their daily requirement from school and don't need more on this forum!
>>>all you'd have to do is add a couple of high grade key dates to have the all time finest.
the above quote by you isnt the brightest thing to of said .....now is it!!!!!
Hmmm... I make an accurate statement and you say it's stupid? Care to back that up? I'll back mine up:
When I made my comment, Mike didn't have a 93-S in his set - now he has an AU53. If he upgraded his AU53 to AU58, he'd pass Jack Lee in the all time finest ranking on the Set Registry. Do the math.>>>
ABSOLUTELY I CAN BACK IT UP!!!!!!!!!
i know the morgan series backward and forward so i`ll just do it from memeory........
first i`m really tired of the "set of all time bull".....have you no heard of grade flation.......some of mikes coins have indeed been upgraded and are the exact same coin that jack had....THE SAME COIN!!!!so is it your contention that gilly gets a numerical advantage ?????thats not smart!!!!
second the registry thing ( i have the best set na-na -na -na ) is also NOT PROPERLY designed by pcgs...in fact its the reason i exited the series...for example i had a monster 79-s in 67PL and refused to play the numbers game and buy a 68 for mine was as nice as any i`d seen including jack`s 69 ( btw it is now in a 68 pl holder with it`s new owner....and much rarer than a mint state 68 of which the registry give ZERO credit for ) ....anyway what your saying is that a ms 68 92-s and a ms 68 81-s have the exact same weighting which is absolute hog wash!!!!...they are only about 500,000 apart in value!!!in which value is what states their rarity
thirdly ...and here is the real deal.....mike doesnt have the keys that jack had.....PERIOD.....and thats a fact!!!!!!!
84-s.....mike`s 64 is 4 points away from jacks 68 86-o.....mike`s coin is a mere 4 points away 89-cc....mike`s 65 is 3 points away from jacks 68 92-s.....mike`s coin ( which was mine) is 1 point away from jacks 93-3.....mike`s coin is a mere 14 points away 95-0.....mike`s coin is 2 points away
thats 28 points away...AND I`M NOT DONE YET BUT I HOPE YOU GET THE POINT try 3 points on the 96 -s...i can go on and on.....and that sir is so HUGE A DIFFERENCE .....its like i said ...easier to buy a hand full of 1885 proof trade dollars than to beat jack lee
your dead wrong in your assessment....DEAD WRONG!!!!
your dead wrong saying that mike would pass jack`s set by adding a au 58 93-s.....DEAD WRONG!!!!!
your dead wrong in your saying your statement is accurate..its DEAD WRONG!!!!!
YOU NEED TO DO THE MATH!!!!!!!DUH!!!
look my son .....do the math!!!!! i had a morgan set and the set ahead of me was 15 hundredths ahead of me ( that is... in a 100 piece collection) 15 points relates to 15 coins with a 1 point higher grade....and he thought he had a better set.........HOGWASH.....JUST HOGWASH.....impossible........you see i could of spent 40,000 and upgraded 17 coins that were real easy to do ....and ill name them for you if i have to........sold my 92-s in 67 and bought a 65......passed him up with the numbers game and put 40,000 back in my pocket!!!!!!!!!
now you do the math........do you really think he had a better set???duh............unfortunately he thought he did AND HE WAS DEAD WRONG!!!!
NOW YOU DO THE MATH!!!!!!!!
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
AND NOW A LITTLE DITTY FOR ALL.........YOU CAN COMPETE....NO MATTER WHAT YOUR BUGET IS!!!!!!
FACT: there is a phenomenon called gradeflation
FACT: for example a coin ( any coin in general ) that has a pop of 10 ...the 2 best of the 10 can and will upgrade someday
FACT: the worst 2 of the 10 can downgrade if you were dumb enough to crack em out and resubmit them
FACT: the middle 6 will stay the same grade
that being said collect the most "pq" coins you can in what ever grade your buget will allow................and if your good and you stay in the hobby a while YOU WILL BE HANDSOMELY REWARDED ....NO MATTER WHAT YOUR BUGET IS!!!!!just by the mere fact of gradeflation.......it is the markets way of rewarding a good numismatist who stays around for a while
that being said if you think you can build a great set for your buget in a few years your kidding your self .....that goes for the # 1 sets all the way down to the last ranked set........there is great compedition out there no matter what your buget but you have to be good at it
you guys who think you can do it in a few years ....your dreaming!!!dont let your ego cost you money
you guys who are good numismatists and stay around for a while...as i said you will be rewarded
here is what i do.........i buy only "pq" coins and i pay premiums for them ..nice coins arent cheap and cheap coins arent nice...YOU WILL BE REWARDED IN TIME!!!!!
there was a guy named bob who flashed in to the morgan market ..........he is still on the all time list........he collected for about 3 years ....his dealer got him some nice coins to be sure...but i can assure you 3 years is not enough.....his dealer also got him into several "just made it coins".....you know ....the ones that will down grade....some would be 50,000 hits.........so his end result was less than steller and he did indeed lose money.....when he sold some of his coins were on the market for over a year....he did take a bath
he was pretty proud of himself until he tried to cash out....his dealer was pretty proud too..............to be quite frank they got on my nerves with the ego thing and all
so i solved it..........i challenged him to a break out contest....where i put up 100,000 and so did he ..........then all of our coins went into any grading service of his choice.....the one who did the best net grading ( 10 upgrades and 3 downgrades type of thing) won all the money..... HE PASSED...........duh ...he would of gotten slaughtered
my set is gone now ....but several coins sold for double and triple sheet bids....in fact so far over 50 have been upgraded......some are now pop 1...........like i said his would get slaughtered if regraded.....THE DUMB THING ABOUT IT IS his set is still ranked in the top 5 all time set..........but it cost him a coupla hundred grand to stroke his ego...........and i made a coupla hundred grand...now that a 400,000 difference..........i think i`ll take the money and the knowledge that my peers knew where my set was ranked ....even though the "registry system " didnt have a clue
so you see you all can compete ..SO BUY QUALITY
one more thing chaping my rear...........color coins....i love them....thats my thing ....i love them......and so do a ton of people....problem is the registry " cant rank them " with a number...so the ones with the huge egos saying i got the # 1 set because you have a this grade average or that average......please dont be foolish enough to think your ms 69 pop 1 oregon puts you ahead of the class.......i have seen several ms 68 coins that are much better ......not because i say so but because they have cost more money in the market place ....and it says so
hey mr # 1 registry guy........i have seen a lot of little guys who have great looking collections .....who have worked hard at it and have their own master pieces AND YOU BETTER GIVE HIM HIS DO!!!!........YOU BETTER BE CAREFULL AS THE LITTLE GUY MIGHT JUST CHALLENGE TO MY " BREAK OUT REGRADE GAME "............could be for a 1,000 or so.......what ever he can afford..........so GIVE THE LITTLE GUY HIS DO!! you could get smoked
and if the 1,000 game isnt high enough for ya ...get me a call !!!
ttyl gregg
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
FACT: for example a coin ( any coin in general ) that has a pop of 10 ...the 2 best of the 10 can and will upgrade someday
That's the dirty little fact about subjective third party grading that keeps collectors of all income levels frustrated, and the grading services in business.
Thanks, your insight made great sense and interesting reading.
Greg: If you'd have been around for a year or so, you'd know that I'm a firm believer that PCGS doesn't give the top grade coins their due, leading to just this sort of instance. You'd also know that my response about the highest ranked set being the best was total tongue in cheek. I'm fully aware that many of Jack's coins upgraded. In fact, he got many of them upgraded from what they originally were graded so they've been upgraded multiple times. The fact remains that if Mike upgraded his 93-S, for the purposes of the PCGS Set Registry, he'd be ranked number one all time. That's what this thread is about. The best PCGS registered set...with all the drawbacks and limitations inherent to that statement. We've already had multiple threads about the limitations of those qualifiers and we've had multiple threads about the fact that the best sets in the world right now probably aren't even registered.
What's funny here is that you've taken an isolated comment of mine out of context and used it to attack my position when we are in far more agreement than disagreement. Perhaps that's the way it is when you're late to a conversation and just jump on the pile without figuring out if the whistle blew already?
I have the number one Set of Circulation Strike Sacagawea Dollars. I know, not exactly everyones favorite coin. I think the satisfaction comes from the hunt for the coins, and the people you get to meet along the way. The competition is fun too, but I have become so much more knowledgeable in the 8 months that I have been a forum member than I ever thought I would. And met and talked to some great individuals who really know their stuff. Also my interests have broadeded during the search for the best coins I could afford. I collect a wider variety of coins, and think I have actually started to grow up a bit (not a lot) finally. A lot of the maturation due to the fact that comments from forum members regularly help keep my feet on the ground, and really make me think about what I was saying and why. And furthermore .... Anyway, COIN GOOD, ARGUE NICE GOOD, ARGUE NOT NICE BAD. See I have started to grow up. Mark
To get back to SMPRFI's original question in this long-running thread [is this some kind of record?]: My #1 set is the modern commem circ-strike set. I've always collected commemoratives. In 1993, when I first took notice of some MS70's going at auction for fairly reasonable prices, I decided as long as I was going to collect the modern commemoratives along with the classics, why not attempt to acquire ALL the modern ones in PCGS MS70? (But with no real expectation of ever completing the set, as there are some with pop. zero and others with pop. 1 or 2 that have never appeared for sale; moreover, it's an open-ended set.) I had accumulated nearly all of my MS70's by the time I first took note of the Set Registry, just last year. So you could say that I more or less "fell into" the #1 position by virtue of what I already had been doing for years, and I suspect that's the case for a great many of the other "best registered" sets. What satisfaction do I get from it? I don't really NEED the Registry to feel satisfaction; I was having great fun just going along putting my collection together, and still am. But in some fashion, the Registry externally validates or justifies what I had been attempting to do all along, in my lonely pursuit. It's not so lonely any more--I'm sharing it with so many other wonderful collectors, other people who may look at my set and think, "All right! Nice!" At least I hope that's their reaction, because that's what I think when I look at others' sets. And looking at my own set in the top spot in my category makes me feel the way Snoopy looks in the Peanuts comic strip when he does his "happy dance"--I feel mighty good!!! No question about it.
>>>>The fact remains that if Mike upgraded his 93-S, for the purposes of the PCGS Set Registry, he'd be ranked number one all time. That's what this thread is about. The best PCGS registered set...>>>>>
dollarnut............absolutely false.....no way jose........impossible...wrong ..wrong....wrong...or i dont know squat and will sheepishly hit the road in shame...but if i prove it to you .....you have to promise never to challenge my knowledge again
i want you to know i know all the players ....i i lived ate and slept morgans for years..i studied pops for years......i have helped all of them increase their grades...jack lee....gilley......llyod......cassano......yea even bob d......a few times i even bought a coin or 2 from his dealer......dipped them and upgraded them and sold them back to his dealer the next day...yep sold him back his own coins the next day once for a minor 10,000 fee ( some dealer eh!!
i`m going to stick my neck out here without looking to prove it......i dont know what they have done at pcgs but i was there from the beginning and it was run by kids just out of school....who couldnt logic the bathroom .....if your so stuck on your statement .......you must just looking at some pcgs bs that they just stuck up there......A CURSORARY GLANCE WOULD PROVE YOUR IN ERROR.......
SO NOW THAT I STUCK MY NECK OUT I GUESS I`LL HAVE TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH TO SHOW YOU..............
SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT SEE SOMETHINGS YOU DID NOT SEE (MEN -IN -BLACK)
TO QUOTE ARNOLD S.....I`LL BE BACK!!!!
GREGG
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
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WOW! We need more topics like this on the boards. I never knew there were so many problems in the other registry sets. I'm glad I'm safe in the lincoln basic 09 - 59 arena.
Gregg: I'm not trying to disparage your knowledge of the coins - I am certain that you know each and every monster Morgan, just like I or any other specialist knows their own series. I'm looking right at the All Time Finest sets as listed in the Set Registry. Jack Lee is rated at 66.0 and Mike Gilley at 65.91 - that's with Mike's AU53 93-S. If he upgrades the coin to a 58, he adds the following set rating points: (58-53) x 10/438 = appx .12 set rating points for a new set rating of 66.03 - he moves into first place under the weighting scheme presented by PCGS. I think this proves the math, but as you said: Just because it's rated higher doesn't mean it's a better set, but as I said - buy Mike's set & add a key date in high condition and you can jump to first place.
If I had access to the weighting I would do the "MATH". It should be noted that the Jack Lee set does not include any PL or DMPL coins (I would assume because they are in the PL and DMPL sets), Mike's set only has the 1895-S listed in PL. Mike's set shows 9 coins listed higher than Jack's(all 1 point higher). Jack's set has 18 listed higher than Mike's(a total of 41 points higher). (How many of Mike's are the "exact" same coin that upgraded?)
This is a great exercise for those who live and die by a number on a piece of paper in a holder, and a ranking in a distorted list like the registry.
(hey, I am just happy to see all of the great Montana coins listed in these sets. Love to know one of the great suppliers)
Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
TDN, I know the 93-S has some weight, and if it is enough, you are still correct. I think a lot can come of this, as it really shows the true value of the "registry". What I really want to see is a hand full of 1885 Trade Dollars. I am not a big person, but six dollars can be held nicely in my hand. Just going through the Eliasberg catalog again. Awesome coin.
(Still prefer the "over graded" 1913 though)
Gregg, show up for some of the other lively conversations. You really bring a lot of energy to the forums. Love someone who "lives" his coins.
Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
for the sake of ease to show its not even close lets say that the set has 100 coins in it....a discussion can be had for anywhere from 96 to 108 depending on varieties....so let say its 100...to bw quite frank if the varieties were used it would be more of a slaughter
so here goes ....lets do it by decades
70`s.......giley is up by 1 grade point..on a coin i sold him ....the 79-p in 67....there are 2 of them and i owned both at the same time......so which one do you think i sold him at ana `99? pcgs screwed up on their talley and shows jack having a 78-s in 67 opposed to gilleys 68.......since the gilley list shows it pedigreed to jack i`ll give it to jack............. believe me he owned it ..it bought it from a nice old lady. i was there!!!!!!!!!
*side bar.....after a brief 1 minute look ......this is so much a slaughter i am wondering where you bought your thinking cap dollarnut??????....kmart?????...your not going to like the abuse but if your going to have a take ...you better not suck
80`s...... once again pcgs screws up and i`m going to take them and at the end i`ll subtract them ..the screw up s are 81-cc jack owned the eliasburg 81 -cc bought at the sale by steve contoursi....it was a 68...pcgs screwed up again and listed it as a 67....ray cassano ended up with it
the plus sign means for jack and the minus is for gilley the non listed coins are pushes 80-s +1 81-cc +1 82-0 +1 83-p +1 84-s +4---------key coin and heavily weighted 85-p +1 85-cc +1 86-o +3..........key coin and heavily weighted 87-p +1 88-s -1>>>>>>>>>gilley wins a coin********** 89-p +1 89-cc +3..........key coin and heavily weighted 92-o -1>>>>>>>>>gilley wins another coin****** 92-s + 1...........4th key in a row gilley has lost 93-s +14.........holy snikes the key of keys and a 14 pt loss 95-o +2............a 5th consecutive key loss for gilley 95-s +1.............a 6th consecutive loss of a key for gilley 96-s +3.............a 7 th consecutive loss of a key for gilley 98-0 +1 99-o +1
00`s once again pcgs sccrewed up..jack`s o2-o was a 67 not a 66 as listed ..i know because he sold it to me as a 66 and when i pedigreed my set it upgraded...out of courtesy i ofered to switch coins with him and he ( not me asking ) give me 10,000 for his mistake....this happened at the ana in ny in `97......also the 96-p is also incorrect.....jack sold me my 96-p in 67 in baltimore...i can assure you he wouldnt of sold a coin he didnt have 00-s -1>>>>>>well its about time gilley did something 01-s -1>>>>> darn he did it again 01-p +2>>>>>an 8th key for lee
NOW MY SON.......LET ME DO THE MATH FOR YOU............i believe thats +39 for jack.......now lets subtract the 4 i took and thats 35.......
and gilley didnt win one key.....not one....NOT ONE!!!!!NOT ONLY DIDNT HE WIN A KEY BUT HE GOT PUMMELED BY 2 ,3 4, AND 14 GRADES
THIS SLAUGHTER MAKES LITTLE BIGHORN LOOK LIKE A PICNIC
GILLEY COULD BUY AN MS 70 93-S AND HE WOULD STILL BE SALUGHTERED....THROW IN AN MS 70 84-S AND A 95-0 AND HE WOULD STILL GET SLAUGHTERED BY 27 GRADES.....AND THATS NOT EVEN WEIGHTED .....IF YOU WEIGHTED IT IT WOULD BE 100 TO NOTHING!!!!!!
NOW ENOUGH WITH YOUR MATH CLASS..... ALL IT TOOK FOR YOU TO KNOW THE SCORE WAS TO LOOK AND HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE
YOUR NOT THE CFO OF ENRON ARE YOU.....COME AUGUST 14 TH YOU WILL HAVE TO SIGN OFF YOU KNOW
NOW APOLOGIZE!!!!!!!!!!YOU WERE DEAD WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
PLAIN OLD DEAD FLAT WRONG!!!
to the readers of this post: ( please excuse my spelling..i am terrible...id rather do the math)
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
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<< <i>THIS SLAUGHTER MAKES LITTLE BIGHORN LOOK LIKE A PICNIC >>
Most people will probably never know how much of a picnic this really was. Most Indians never knew a battle took place.
(Sorry for the history lesson, but it happened in my state. I could be talking about the latrine from the Lewis & Clark expedition they just found.)
So where are the Morgan weightings so we can actually put the "numbers" to this.
Gregg, I am not sure you are really arguing with anyone here. TDN was placing his numbers with the registry (just like the major majority of those who deal in it) You still have not brought up the actual "numbers" being used for the weighting. No one will ever argue that Jack Lee had (and may be assembling again after the 93-S last year) the finest set of Morgans ever.
Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
>>Gregg: I'm not trying to disparage your knowledge of the coins - I am certain that you know each and every monster Morgan, just like I or any other specialist knows their own series. I'm looking right at the All Time Finest sets as listed in the Set Registry. Jack Lee is rated at 66.0 and Mike Gilley at 65.91 - that's with Mike's AU53 93-S. If he upgrades the coin to a 58, he adds the following set rating points: (58-53) x 10/438 = appx .12 set rating points for a new set rating of 66.03 - he moves into first place under the weighting scheme presented by PCGS. I think this proves the math, but as you said: Just because it's rated higher doesn't mean it's a better set, but as I said - buy Mike's set & add a key date in high condition and you can jump to first place. >>
please stop looking at pcgs`s silly little stupid numbers...they are WRONG........they have benn scewing it up since they started....i dont know what math your doing but its garbage.....last time i checked they had some bussboy from the local bar doing the registry...he NEVER EVER got mine right ....but he only missed it by 6 or 7 coins which equaled 6 or 7 points.....but what your saying is that by some off the wall mathimatical function you believe that gilley could beat jack lee .....
WELL I JUST SHOWED YOU IT CANT HAPPEN...............MIKE GILLEY WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER BEAT JACK LEE...HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT...............
***AND MIKE GILLEY KNOWS IT......WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.....OF COURSE HIS SET IS PRETTY AMAZING WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED TO DO
if you really want to know why its so amazing just ask me........
now you still owe me an apology
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
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YOU HAVE THE MOST AWESOME SET OF TRADE DOLLARS THERE IS....I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THEM...........I WAS IN NY AT THE ELAISBERG SALE IN APRIL.....BEFORE THE SALE I FLEW TO BOWERS AND STAYED FOR 3 DAYS VIEWING....I SAW THE MOST UNBELIEVABLE WHITE MINTSTATE TRADE DOLLAR AT LOT VIEWING IN NY AT THE ANA IN `97.......I THINK IT HAMMERED AT 130..........A HANDSOME PRICE TO BE SURE BUT WHAT A COIN
THE TDN SET WILL NEVER BE EQUALED WITHOUT YOU SELLING
CUDOS TO YOU
GREGG
PS YOU CAN EXPECT ME TO DEFEND ANY BUNK ABOUT THE TDN SET JUST AS VIGORISLY AS I DO THE JACK LEE SET
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
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If pcgs weighted posts like they do dollars..Gregg would be number one with only 29 posts....Way more informative than some guys with 10,000 posts. Time for bed..was a long trip from Sarasota today. Will tune in tomorrow for more Dollar news Larry
Trying to put together a FA WOODY morgan and peace dollar set on a 6 figure budget. Working very hard at it.. GN
Larry Shapiro Rare Coins - LSRC POB 854 Temecula CA 92593 310-710-2869 cell www.LSRarecoins.com Larry@LSRarecoins.com
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Justin, 10 1/2, has studied and collected neat toned coins since around the age of 5. He ranks color coins on a scale of 1-10 (the "J" Scale) and takes into account what exactly he is examining (for example the rating on a beautiful color nickel may take into account the great rarity of locating a pretty nickel coin as compared to say a silver dime). Justin, on rare occasion has given coins an "11" or even "12" to a coin (for example in the case of the 1949(d) quarter in NGC-MS68 in the NFL Collection Type set Justin rated the coin "12"). Justin got to assign as "13" to a coin for the first time at Bruce's house. There were also plenty of "10's" being assigned, left and right, as Bruce was kind enough to show us a few of his more prized pieces. Thanks again Bruce for that "Smithsonian" type display of coins for Justin, who got a bit more" education" after seeing what has kept you busy these past few years
Justin also tests for his black belt in Tae Kwan Do later this year, so he is a well disiplined good kid. Wondercoin.
For a bunch of well educated people you sure do have small attention spans.
Most of my PM's disagree with that ...
Again...u don't have a clue..
Larry
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RegistryCoin is right. To answer the original question. It gives me a lot of satisfaction being #1 in the basic Mercury Dime set, because I've done it on a limited budget. I started yeasrs ago and upgraded as I could til I got it to where it is today. And there is still lots of room for upgrades. I'm #5 in the full set and the only reason I'm #1 in the basic, is besause the four above me in the full didn't enter theirs in the basic. I'm still very proud of my set and what I have accomplished. When and if I pursue a SLQ set, it will probably be in 64 not 66 or 67, because of my budget. Besides SLQ's in nice 64 are very pretty coins. The same goes with Walkers.
As Clint Eastwood once said in one of his movies "a mans got to know his limitations'.
Jon
bruce scher
How can a question directed simply to those who have "best registered sets" if answered honestly, which I did, be clueless? I tried to answer the topic thread in each of my responses, and tried to steer those off the topic to get back on track.
On the other hand, how can someone answer the question if they haven't had a "best registered set"?
Perhaps a separate thread is needed for those who can only speculate: Something like: "What satisfaction do you think you would get knowing you could have the best registered set"?
"Registrycoin - What Satisfaction Do You Personally Get Knowing You Own Now And Have Owned In The Past Couple Years (15) of the best registered sets out there in the most popular areas of coin collecting such as Silver Commems, Jefferson Nickels, Roosevelt Dimes, Washington Quarters, Kennedy Halves, Franklin Halves, To Name Just A Few"
Wondercoin
thats great...i think a new thread would be better...you are on target...
bruce
Good humor and yet real honest!
I have never even had a registry set!! LOL.
But the best registry set of all is wondecoin's son. It is thrilling to read of a father tremendous pride in his son. That beats anything any of us could do in coins!!
Alas, I was blessed with girls. They are nearing 17 and I am trying to hang on for dear life with all the mood swings!
Nothing wrong with those girls either - Justin came in to tell me the other night that he was a bit concerned because his 12 year old sister was arranging her Memorial cents in the Whitman folder she got at the Long Beach show!
Get your girls into coin collecting. We need more female coin collectors. It is probably to late now though.
Cameron Kiefer
I went through rolls of coins with her. tried everything. Nothing worked. I brought her to the ANA show in NY in 1997. She even got lots of free nickels at the show!!! People were real nice to her. dealers included, as she was and is a charming young lady.
Yet a 13 year son of a dear friend is all into coins. I will be bringing him to the ANA show in NY. He likes it a lot but has much to learn. Too much competition from other interests.
I spent 2 1/2 years building my #1 Lincoln Memorial MS set and managed to be lucky enough to be in the #1 spot the day the Registry picked to print out the hard copy of the Registry for 2001. I also managed to sell that set the very same day to the current #1 set holder. This gives me some insight into many different emotions about getting the Number one set and selling it. I will never be more proud then the day I received my hard copy of the Registry and my set was listed plain as day in the #1 spot. I still smile when I think that I managed to make it on a very small budget and with the help of some very good friends. (Datentype, Wondercoin and Vinnie Top the list) I also still smile when I look at the current #1 set because it has quite a few of MY SET included in it so I kinda feel still attached to the coins.
On the other hand, I get heart broken when I realize that the set is no longer mine and it belongs to someone else. I wish that I had never sold it and will regret doing so forever but life goes on. If it is meant to be, I wish to once again regain the top slot and have purchased a few coins to begin the rebuilding process. It is impossible for me now to rebuild quickly because I got injured in a car wreck and have NO INCOME right now but I still can dream. This thread got me thinking about the joy and heart break involved in the quest but I would not trade the true feelings for anything. I reached the top. I got in the book, proving I made the top, and nobody can ever take that away from me!
Those who feel this is a big buck adventure, are correct but you do not need to have lots of money at any given time to make it work for you. Just be honest with the dealers that you work with and most of the best ones will be very happy to work with you to let you make payments on the more expensive coins. If this were not true, I would have never even come close to making the #1 slot. It only takes the TRUE DESIRE to be able to do it. If you want it bad enough and are willing to make sacrifices elsewhere, the coins will be out there sooner or later. It is possible and you just need to have the desire and stick with it. You can not even begin to guess how many weeks I spent every dime from my income that did not get spent paying bills, to make my layaway payments. I had to give up a lot but I decided that being #1 was more important and that was the entire goal that I focused on until I made it. It is not easy and not everyone who sets out to make the #1 spot will make it but it is well worth the knowledge that you fought long and hard and did your absolute best that you possibly could do and if all goes well, you will know how GREAT it feels to have a #1 set.
Even after selling my set, I still get all excited just typing about it. I hope this was not to long and boring but you asked how we felt and I fit the requirement of having had a #1 set.
It was a honor to represent you in the sale of your #1 Memorial Cent set. As you know, the set sold for a world record price at the time for Mint State Memorial Cents.
Mike: Remember one thing. We are basically in the top of the 3rd inning of this 9 inning ballgame for MS Memorial Cents. OK, you spotted some folks a couple runs by selling your set, but, your desire to once again possess a world class Memorial set WILL bring you back up to the top. And, if by chance it is only 2nd or 3rd place because that is all you can afford moving forward, it will still be a remarkable accomplishment.
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Dahlonega Type Set-2008 PCGS Best Exhibited Set
It can be done without the mantra. Just ask Mustangman.
Now, I too, agree, that, in the interest of the future, my vote for the most satisfying registry set, though not registered due to a lack of appropriate catagories, goes to ToneBoy. He is the greatest, and has a toned collection that would be the envy of us all.
His "J" (Justin) scale is used among those "in the know" and is usable, and trustworthy. He, and those like him, are the future of our hobby, and welcomed, if not needed. He has an understanding, at ten years old that many of us will take years to garner.
How about assembling a unopened shotgun obw (original bank wrapped) roll set!!!!
It may not be that cheap but it is do-able! As long as you keep those rolls unopened no collector on this planet can ever question you that you DON'T have the finest set!!!!!!
You can always dream!!
mustangman7: This may do the trick for you!!
Besides. What do I need to dream for? I've been there and done that!
It is for you to dream on behalf of the next generation!
The "Registry" is just of many collecting stategies out there, it happens to be a very public one thanks to PCGS's marketing genuius. Collecting satisfaction comes from setting a goal that is attainable for your means and enjoying "the hunt", which is always the most rewarding part of collecting.
Commems and Early Type
Commems and Early Type
>>>>>True about the Morgans - Mike Gilley's set is for sale and all you'd have to do is add a couple of high grade key dates to have the all time finest. Probably true with many sets in which the highest grades have multiple coins available.>>>>>>>>>
>>>>But take sets such as three cent nickels, etc. The high grade coins are locked up in strong hands and do not trade. I highly doubt Bruce Scher would sell his set for any amount. These coins (along with certain trade dollar sets ) are not available to the market and cannot be beat!>>>>>
mike`s set is for sale............i have been involved every inch of the way............it is really close but it will never get there.....annd to be frank ...thats why its for sale.........about 90 pieces are the best of the best ( i know some were mine ) and look so stellar
BUT...........it can not beat jack lee`s set because the stoppers gilley doesnt have......its those stoppers that will keep jack lee at the top for a long time to come....and by the way it will take a ton of work and several million for gilley to even attempt it..........the work is the key......you have to know where they are........i know where they are and i could talk to the owners but thats only worth about 25 k.....if they would sell or not is a different story ...so if you think its easy youll need several million and talking to a hand full of well heeled people.....not to be offending here but i can assure you that its easier to buy a hand full of proof 1885 proof trade dollars than it is to beat jack lee`s set
needed coins
84-s in 68......................700,000
86-o in 67 dmpl............700,000
89-cc in 68-----------------700,000
93-s in 68......................1,000,000
96-s in 69...................... 600,000
just to name a few........and thats just to tie 1/3 of the set aka --mint state ...thats not even talking about pl and dmpl coins which were complete and gilly has none!!!.....try another 4 million for those too!!
thats just to get you started...................so be honest
>>all you'd have to do is add a couple of high grade key dates to have the all time finest. >>>>
the above quote by you isnt the brightest thing to of said .....now is it!!!!!
gregg
( hatads) have a take and dont suck
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great thread.....lots of good stuff......some peoples goals differ by their checkbook.....however mine has never been to be some numerically numbered #1
i use the "FA" and the "woody scale"..............my goal is to get you to say fu%king awesome for each coin you look at and see how long it lasts with the woody scale............you guys understand....crude but true!!!
i have seen many sets that have been done on limited funds score very high marks on the FA and WOODY scales and i can assure you that i appreciated all the work that went into them
i saw a dime set last week by steve p that almost ripped the zipper out of the woody scale..............and i can tell you he had 10 years and a coupla grand in it
ttyl
gregg
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the above quote by you isnt the brightest thing to of said .....now is it!!!!!
Hmmm... I make an accurate statement and you say it's stupid? Care to back that up? I'll back mine up:
When I made my comment, Mike didn't have a 93-S in his set - now he has an AU53. If he upgraded his AU53 to AU58, he'd pass Jack Lee in the all time finest ranking on the Set Registry. Do the math.
Now if you're claiming that Jack had a better set even if Mike upgrades that one coin .....well, that just can't be - we all know that if a set has the highest rating that it's the better set!
BTW - please refrain from posting hard core swear words - even if disguised. We have lots of young numismatists on this forum that get their daily requirement from school and don't need more on this forum!
>>>all you'd have to do is add a couple of high grade key dates to have the all time finest.
the above quote by you isnt the brightest thing to of said .....now is it!!!!!
Hmmm... I make an accurate statement and you say it's stupid? Care to back that up? I'll back mine up:
When I made my comment, Mike didn't have a 93-S in his set - now he has an AU53. If he upgraded his AU53 to AU58, he'd pass Jack Lee in the all time finest ranking on the Set Registry. Do the math.>>>
ABSOLUTELY I CAN BACK IT UP!!!!!!!!!
i know the morgan series backward and forward so i`ll just do it from memeory........
first i`m really tired of the "set of all time bull".....have you no heard of grade flation.......some of mikes coins have indeed been upgraded and are the exact same coin that jack had....THE SAME COIN!!!!so is it your contention that gilly gets a numerical advantage ?????thats not smart!!!!
second the registry thing ( i have the best set na-na -na -na ) is also NOT PROPERLY designed by pcgs...in fact its the reason i exited the series...for example i had a monster 79-s in 67PL and refused to play the numbers game and buy a 68 for mine was as nice as any i`d seen including jack`s 69 ( btw it is now in a 68 pl holder with it`s new owner....and much rarer than a mint state 68 of which the registry give ZERO credit for ) ....anyway what your saying is that a ms 68 92-s and a ms 68 81-s have the exact same weighting which is absolute hog wash!!!!...they are only about 500,000 apart in value!!!in which value is what states their rarity
thirdly ...and here is the real deal.....mike doesnt have the keys that jack had.....PERIOD.....and thats a fact!!!!!!!
84-s.....mike`s 64 is 4 points away from jacks 68
86-o.....mike`s coin is a mere 4 points away
89-cc....mike`s 65 is 3 points away from jacks 68
92-s.....mike`s coin ( which was mine) is 1 point away from jacks
93-3.....mike`s coin is a mere 14 points away
95-0.....mike`s coin is 2 points away
thats 28 points away...AND I`M NOT DONE YET BUT I HOPE YOU GET THE POINT try 3 points on the 96 -s...i can go on and on.....and that sir is so HUGE A DIFFERENCE .....its like i said ...easier to buy a hand full of 1885 proof trade dollars than to beat jack lee
your dead wrong in your assessment....DEAD WRONG!!!!
your dead wrong saying that mike would pass jack`s set by adding a au 58 93-s.....DEAD WRONG!!!!!
your dead wrong in your saying your statement is accurate..its DEAD WRONG!!!!!
YOU NEED TO DO THE MATH!!!!!!!DUH!!!
look my son .....do the math!!!!! i had a morgan set and the set ahead of me was 15 hundredths ahead of me ( that is... in a 100 piece collection) 15 points relates to 15 coins with a 1 point higher grade....and he thought he had a better set.........HOGWASH.....JUST HOGWASH.....impossible........you see i could of spent 40,000 and upgraded 17 coins that were real easy to do ....and ill name them for you if i have to........sold my 92-s in 67 and bought a 65......passed him up with the numbers game and put 40,000 back in my pocket!!!!!!!!!
now you do the math........do you really think he had a better set???duh............unfortunately he thought he did AND HE WAS DEAD WRONG!!!!
NOW YOU DO THE MATH!!!!!!!!
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FACT: there is a phenomenon called gradeflation
FACT: for example a coin ( any coin in general ) that has a pop of 10 ...the 2 best of the 10 can and will upgrade someday
FACT: the worst 2 of the 10 can downgrade if you were dumb enough to crack em out and resubmit them
FACT: the middle 6 will stay the same grade
that being said collect the most "pq" coins you can in what ever grade your buget will allow................and if your good and you stay in the hobby a while YOU WILL BE HANDSOMELY REWARDED ....NO MATTER WHAT YOUR BUGET IS!!!!!just by the mere fact of gradeflation.......it is the markets way of rewarding a good numismatist who stays around for a while
that being said if you think you can build a great set for your buget in a few years your kidding your self .....that goes for the # 1 sets all the way down to the last ranked set........there is great compedition out there no matter what your buget but you have to be good at it
you guys who think you can do it in a few years ....your dreaming!!!dont let your ego cost you money
you guys who are good numismatists and stay around for a while...as i said you will be rewarded
here is what i do.........i buy only "pq" coins and i pay premiums for them ..nice coins arent cheap and cheap coins arent nice...YOU WILL BE REWARDED IN TIME!!!!!
there was a guy named bob who flashed in to the morgan market ..........he is still on the all time list........he collected for about 3 years ....his dealer got him some nice coins to be sure...but i can assure you 3 years is not enough.....his dealer also got him into several "just made it coins".....you know ....the ones that will down grade....some would be 50,000 hits.........so his end result was less than steller and he did indeed lose money.....when he sold some of his coins were on the market for over a year....he did take a bath
he was pretty proud of himself until he tried to cash out....his dealer was pretty proud too..............to be quite frank they got on my nerves with the ego thing and all
so i solved it..........i challenged him to a break out contest....where i put up 100,000 and so did he ..........then all of our coins went into any grading service of his choice.....the one who did the best net grading ( 10 upgrades and 3 downgrades type of thing) won all the money..... HE PASSED...........duh ...he would of gotten slaughtered
my set is gone now ....but several coins sold for double and triple sheet bids....in fact so far over 50 have been upgraded......some are now pop 1...........like i said his would get slaughtered if regraded.....THE DUMB THING ABOUT IT IS his set is still ranked in the top 5 all time set..........but it cost him a coupla hundred grand to stroke his ego...........and i made a coupla hundred grand...now that a 400,000 difference..........i think i`ll take the money and the knowledge that my peers knew where my set was ranked ....even though the "registry system " didnt have a clue
so you see you all can compete ..SO BUY QUALITY
one more thing chaping my rear...........color coins....i love them....thats my thing ....i love them......and so do a ton of people....problem is the registry " cant rank them " with a number...so the ones with the huge egos saying i got the # 1 set because you have a this grade average or that average......please dont be foolish enough to think your ms 69 pop 1 oregon puts you ahead of the class.......i have seen several ms 68 coins that are much better ......not because i say so but because they have cost more money in the market place ....and it says so
hey mr # 1 registry guy........i have seen a lot of little guys who have great looking collections .....who have worked hard at it and have their own master pieces AND YOU BETTER GIVE HIM HIS DO!!!!........YOU BETTER BE CAREFULL AS THE LITTLE GUY MIGHT JUST CHALLENGE TO MY " BREAK OUT REGRADE GAME "............could be for a 1,000 or so.......what ever he can afford..........so GIVE THE LITTLE GUY HIS DO!! you could get smoked
and if the 1,000 game isnt high enough for ya ...get me a call !!!
ttyl
gregg
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FACT: for example a coin ( any coin in general ) that has a pop of 10 ...the 2 best of the 10 can and will upgrade someday
That's the dirty little fact about subjective third party grading that keeps collectors of all income levels frustrated, and the grading services in business.
Thanks, your insight made great sense and interesting reading.
What's funny here is that you've taken an isolated comment of mine out of context and used it to attack my position when we are in far more agreement than disagreement. Perhaps that's the way it is when you're late to a conversation and just jump on the pile without figuring out if the whistle blew already?
Actually, you get the satisfaction of knowing that you've pissed away more money than anybody else.
Did I say satisfaction? I guess I meant grief.
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We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
What satisfaction do I get from it? I don't really NEED the Registry to feel satisfaction; I was having great fun just going along putting my collection together, and still am. But in some fashion, the Registry externally validates or justifies what I had been attempting to do all along, in my lonely pursuit. It's not so lonely any more--I'm sharing it with so many other wonderful collectors, other people who may look at my set and think, "All right! Nice!" At least I hope that's their reaction, because that's what I think when I look at others' sets. And looking at my own set in the top spot in my category makes me feel the way Snoopy looks in the Peanuts comic strip when he does his "happy dance"--I feel mighty good!!! No question about it.
Dell
dollarnut............absolutely false.....no way jose........impossible...wrong ..wrong....wrong...or i dont know squat and will sheepishly hit the road in shame...but if i prove it to you .....you have to promise never to challenge my knowledge again
i want you to know i know all the players ....i i lived ate and slept morgans for years..i studied pops for years......i have helped all of them increase their grades...jack lee....gilley......llyod......cassano......yea even bob d......a few times i even bought a coin or 2 from his dealer......dipped them and upgraded them and sold them back to his dealer the next day...yep sold him back his own coins the next day once for a minor 10,000 fee ( some dealer eh!!
i`m going to stick my neck out here without looking to prove it......i dont know what they have done at pcgs but i was there from the beginning and it was run by kids just out of school....who couldnt logic the bathroom .....if your so stuck on your statement .......you must just looking at some pcgs bs that they just stuck up there......A CURSORARY GLANCE WOULD PROVE YOUR IN ERROR.......
SO NOW THAT I STUCK MY NECK OUT I GUESS I`LL HAVE TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH TO SHOW YOU..............
SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT SEE SOMETHINGS YOU DID NOT SEE
(MEN -IN -BLACK)
TO QUOTE ARNOLD S.....I`LL BE BACK!!!!
GREGG
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This is a great exercise for those who live and die by a number on a piece of paper in a holder, and a ranking in a distorted list like the registry.
(hey, I am just happy to see all of the great Montana coins listed in these sets. Love to know one of the great suppliers)
(Still prefer the "over graded" 1913 though)
Gregg, show up for some of the other lively conversations. You really bring a lot of energy to the forums. Love someone who "lives" his coins.
mmmmmm lets see now
jack= 66.00
gilley = 65.91
for the sake of ease to show its not even close lets say that the set has 100 coins in it....a discussion can be had for anywhere from 96 to 108 depending on varieties....so let say its 100...to bw quite frank if the varieties were used it would be more of a slaughter
so here goes ....lets do it by decades
70`s.......giley is up by 1 grade point..on a coin i sold him ....the 79-p
in 67....there are 2 of them and i owned both at the same
time......so which one do you think i sold him at ana `99?
pcgs screwed up on their talley and shows jack having a
78-s in 67 opposed to gilleys 68.......since the gilley list
shows it pedigreed to jack i`ll give it to jack.............
believe me he owned it ..it bought it from a nice old lady.
i was there!!!!!!!!!
*side bar.....after a brief 1 minute look ......this is so much a slaughter i am wondering where you bought your thinking cap dollarnut??????....kmart?????...your not going to like the abuse but if your going to have a take ...you better not suck
80`s...... once again pcgs screws up and i`m going to take them
and at the end i`ll subtract them ..the screw up s are 81-cc
jack owned the eliasburg 81 -cc bought at the sale by
steve contoursi....it was a 68...pcgs screwed up again
and listed it as a 67....ray cassano ended up with it
the plus sign means for jack and the minus is for gilley
the non listed coins are pushes
80-s +1
81-cc +1
82-0 +1
83-p +1
84-s +4---------key coin and heavily weighted
85-p +1
85-cc +1
86-o +3..........key coin and heavily weighted
87-p +1
88-s -1>>>>>>>>>gilley wins a coin**********
89-p +1
89-cc +3..........key coin and heavily weighted
92-o -1>>>>>>>>>gilley wins another coin******
92-s + 1...........4th key in a row gilley has lost
93-s +14.........holy snikes the key of keys and a 14 pt loss
95-o +2............a 5th consecutive key loss for gilley
95-s +1.............a 6th consecutive loss of a key for gilley
96-s +3.............a 7 th consecutive loss of a key for gilley
98-0 +1
99-o +1
00`s once again pcgs sccrewed up..jack`s o2-o was a 67 not a
66 as listed ..i know because he sold it to me as a 66 and
when i pedigreed my set it upgraded...out of courtesy i
ofered to switch coins with him and he ( not me asking )
give me 10,000 for his mistake....this happened at the
ana in ny in `97......also the 96-p is also incorrect.....jack
sold me my 96-p in 67 in baltimore...i can assure you he
wouldnt of sold a coin he didnt have
00-s -1>>>>>>well its about time gilley did something
01-s -1>>>>> darn he did it again
01-p +2>>>>>an 8th key for lee
NOW MY SON.......LET ME DO THE MATH FOR YOU............i believe thats +39 for jack.......now lets subtract the 4 i took and thats 35.......
and gilley didnt win one key.....not one....NOT ONE!!!!!NOT ONLY DIDNT HE WIN A KEY BUT HE GOT PUMMELED BY 2 ,3 4, AND 14 GRADES
THIS SLAUGHTER MAKES LITTLE BIGHORN LOOK LIKE A PICNIC
GILLEY COULD BUY AN MS 70 93-S AND HE WOULD STILL BE SALUGHTERED....THROW IN AN MS 70 84-S AND A 95-0 AND HE WOULD STILL GET SLAUGHTERED BY 27 GRADES.....AND THATS NOT EVEN WEIGHTED .....IF YOU WEIGHTED IT IT WOULD BE 100 TO NOTHING!!!!!!
NOW ENOUGH WITH YOUR MATH CLASS..... ALL IT TOOK FOR YOU TO KNOW THE SCORE WAS TO LOOK AND HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE
YOUR NOT THE CFO OF ENRON ARE YOU.....COME AUGUST 14 TH YOU WILL HAVE TO SIGN OFF YOU KNOW
NOW APOLOGIZE!!!!!!!!!!YOU WERE DEAD WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
PLAIN OLD DEAD FLAT WRONG!!!
to the readers of this post:
( please excuse my spelling..i am terrible...id rather do the math)
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<< <i>THIS SLAUGHTER MAKES LITTLE BIGHORN LOOK LIKE A PICNIC >>
Most people will probably never know how much of a picnic this really was. Most Indians never knew a battle took place.
(Sorry for the history lesson, but it happened in my state. I could be talking about the latrine from the Lewis & Clark expedition they just found.)
So where are the Morgan weightings so we can actually put the "numbers" to this.
Gregg, I am not sure you are really arguing with anyone here. TDN was placing his numbers with the registry (just like the major majority of those who deal in it) You still have not brought up the actual "numbers" being used for the weighting. No one will ever argue that Jack Lee had (and may be assembling again after the 93-S last year) the finest set of Morgans ever.
>>Gregg: I'm not trying to disparage your knowledge of the coins - I am certain that you know each and every monster Morgan, just like I or any other specialist knows their own series. I'm looking right at the All Time Finest sets as listed in the Set Registry. Jack Lee is rated at 66.0 and Mike Gilley at 65.91 - that's with Mike's AU53 93-S. If he upgrades the coin to a 58, he adds the following set rating points: (58-53) x 10/438 = appx .12 set rating points for a new set rating of 66.03 - he moves into first place under the weighting scheme presented by PCGS. I think this proves the math, but as you said: Just because it's rated higher doesn't mean it's a better set, but as I said - buy Mike's set & add a key date in high condition and you can jump to first place. >>
please stop looking at pcgs`s silly little stupid numbers...they are WRONG........they have benn scewing it up since they started....i dont know what math your doing but its garbage.....last time i checked they had some bussboy from the local bar doing the registry...he NEVER EVER got mine right ....but he only missed it by 6 or 7 coins which equaled 6 or 7 points.....but what your saying is that by some off the wall mathimatical function you believe that gilley could beat jack lee .....
WELL I JUST SHOWED YOU IT CANT HAPPEN...............MIKE GILLEY WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER BEAT JACK LEE...HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT...............
***AND MIKE GILLEY KNOWS IT......WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.....OF COURSE HIS SET IS PRETTY AMAZING WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED TO DO
if you really want to know why its so amazing just ask me........
now you still owe me an apology
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YOU HAVE THE MOST AWESOME SET OF TRADE DOLLARS THERE IS....I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THEM...........I WAS IN NY AT THE ELAISBERG SALE IN APRIL.....BEFORE THE SALE I FLEW TO BOWERS AND STAYED FOR 3 DAYS VIEWING....I SAW THE MOST UNBELIEVABLE WHITE MINTSTATE TRADE DOLLAR AT LOT VIEWING IN NY AT THE ANA IN `97.......I THINK IT HAMMERED AT 130..........A HANDSOME PRICE TO BE SURE BUT WHAT A COIN
THE TDN SET WILL NEVER BE EQUALED WITHOUT YOU SELLING
CUDOS TO YOU
GREGG
PS YOU CAN EXPECT ME TO DEFEND ANY BUNK ABOUT THE TDN SET JUST AS VIGORISLY AS I DO THE JACK LEE SET
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....I SAW THE MOST UNBELIEVABLE WHITE MINTSTATE TRADE DOLLAR AT LOT VIEWING IN NY AT THE ANA IN `97.......I THINK IT HAMMERED AT 130...
THE "THE" WAS SUPPOSE TO BE "YOUR"
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Time for bed..was a long trip from Sarasota today.
Will tune in tomorrow for more Dollar news
Larry
Trying to put together a FA WOODY morgan and peace dollar set on a 6 figure budget.
Working very hard at it..
GN
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