Advice on These Raw Toned Morgans

MJ1927

I am seemingly in that small minority who has never been completely enamored by Morgan silver dollars, but bought these recently as part of a larger collection for a very nominal fee. Some of them have some really interesting toning and I was told that they had been in their current Whitman folder for over 15 years, but I have a few questions:

1). Does the toning look real or artificial/questionable?
2). These are 1880s and 1883o Morgans - not exactly rarer dates - but what ballpark grade could I expect for these? Do any stand out as higher MS, or do I have some MS-62/63s on my hands? If the toning is real, does that premium financially justify grading these, or would I expect a decent return if I were to sell these raw in the future?

Note: I'm aware these photos aren't the best, but couldn't figure out how to attach videos and know many on here don't like clicking on links so I can try to provide more images if asked!

jmlanzaf

Mixed grades. Mostly unattractive toning. I don't see one worth submitting.

MJ1927

@jmlanzaf said:
Mixed grades. Mostly unattractive toning. I don't see one worth submitting.

Appreciate the reply, thought maybe there might be a market for the fourth Morgan, the one that looks like it was in the BP oil spill, but perhaps not!

kaz

The 4th coin from the top has a sort of odd mix of colors on the obv, but in general I think they look like old folder toned coins. I'll leave grade estimates to the experts.

lilolme

The toning looks 'real' but to me is at best neutral to somewhat negative. The 4th photo could be slightly positive. However, it appears to have a print on it. A couple other do to. Can't grade these but would start at 63 roughly and might go down from there or maybe one or two make it to 64 with actual viewing.

Rampage

Nice coins. I do believe the toning is natural and from older folders. Grades are mixed, but appear to all be MS. I do not see any worth sending in.

MJ1927

@Rampage said:
Nice coins. I do believe the toning is natural and from older folders. Grades are mixed, but appear to all be MS. I do not see any worth sending in.

That appears to be the consensus, thank you for the response.

MJ1927

@lilolme said:
The toning looks 'real' but to me is at best neutral to somewhat negative. The 4th photo could be slightly positive. However, it appears to have a print on it. A couple other do to. Can't grade these but would start at 63 roughly and might go down from there or maybe one or two make it to 64 with actual viewing.

Appreciate the comment. Out of curiosity, what would be considered 'positive' toning, I understand that the prints definitely detract from the eye, but thought that rainbow colors might perhaps make them more appealing to Morgan collectors

jmlanzaf

@MJ1927 said:

@lilolme said:
The toning looks 'real' but to me is at best neutral to somewhat negative. The 4th photo could be slightly positive. However, it appears to have a print on it. A couple other do to. Can't grade these but would start at 63 roughly and might go down from there or maybe one or two make it to 64 with actual viewing.

Appreciate the comment. Out of curiosity, what would be considered 'positive' toning, I understand that the prints definitely detract from the eye, but thought that rainbow colors might perhaps make them more appealing to Morgan collectors

Toning that makes them prettier rather than tarnish that is distracting or unattractive.

lilolme

@MJ1927 said:

@lilolme said:
The toning looks 'real' but to me is at best neutral to somewhat negative. The 4th photo could be slightly positive. However, it appears to have a print on it. A couple other do to. Can't grade these but would start at 63 roughly and might go down from there or maybe one or two make it to 64 with actual viewing.

Appreciate the comment. Out of curiosity, what would be considered 'positive' toning, I understand that the prints definitely detract from the eye, but thought that rainbow colors might perhaps make them more appealing to Morgan collectors

I see jmlanzaf just responded and that is basically it.
The problem is that toning is very subjective. Some don't want any at all and so any is negative. But that is not the question for those that do like some toning. I can answer for me only. I like some rim toning where it adds a bright color to the mostly white center. Or even a gold toned dollar that again is a bright golden tone. Could also be multiple toned or as some say rainbow toned. Looking for smooth color transitions. Don't want toning that looks splotchy or makes the coin dead. The 2nd photo could be close on the rim toning but the reverse is negative. Some will like that 6 photo and I can see why but to me it is kind of dead toning. I did buy a mottled toned Morgan years ago and still like it but in general do not. Again this is me and others will disagree. But there will be a general consensus on some and this is where the no premium or premium comes in . Hope this long winded helps.

EldoEsq

I guess I am in the minority...I like each one and find all of them very pleasing! Toning is very subjective apparently!

lilolme

@EldoEsq said:
I guess I am in the minority...I like each one and find all of them very pleasing! Toning is very subjective apparently!

I agree, toning is very subjective as I stated. And many would like the OP toned $.
The question @MJ1927 asked in the OP is:
if the toning is real, does that premium financially justify grading these

So how much premium would one pay for the toning in the OP?

If a $100 coin can be sold for $500 due to the toning (made up the numbers for an example), then this would be one to potentially send in for grading. I don't believe any of the OP coins are of this type of toning (a couple are closer). But I could be wrong as I get surprised sometimes and maybe often.

2windy2fish

I am also in the minority here, get them graded if you want to sell them…or otherwise hang onto them as they are… i believe they will all grade and i really like the toning!

SurfinxHI

I would think the toning would not command much of a premium. All the coins do look ms.

ricko

Not attractive tarnish..... The brighter colors command a premium, and none of these qualify (based on the pictures). As to submission, your call. You could perhaps reclaim the premium then by selling them on ebay, but I would not expect major gains. Cheers, RickO

DelawareDoons

Fourth one will get a slight premium these days. Rest are neutral-negative imho. Lotta close but no cigars there.