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GTG 1888 Morgan Grade revealed

2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 677 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 14, 2022 6:49AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I have owned this coin for several years, graded by PCGS in Europe….it resides in my “Box of Twenty “
Apologies for the reverse pic as my iPad is way smarter than me, i was unable to figure out how to rotate the pic..


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  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Obverse looks MS 65, reverse is tough to grade based on the pic. When they grade coins like this the light used is considerably more powerful than yours.
    I'll go MS 65.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ill say 45

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i can't tell much other than it is a nicely toned morgan with some greasy greasy on it. i'll go 66+

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,528 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the luster is muted, MS64.
    If the luster is strong, MS65.


  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cannot tell much about the luster from the photos, MS63.

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would 55 that guy because the weakness is just too pronounced to be mint state.

  • I would say MS 64.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've seen a few coins like this in 66 holders. I'm at 66.

  • WilliamFWilliamF Posts: 832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cant tell from the pics if that is wear or just a weak strike, so I'm going to say between AU55 and MS62, not really sure on this one...

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  • shortnockshortnock Posts: 345 ✭✭✭

    AU 55.

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very difficult to grade from those images. Could be 58, 64 or maybe 65. All depends on the luster and if she's got rub. Best guess is 64.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will put it at XF45.... Cheers, RickO

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  • al410al410 Posts: 2,389 ✭✭✭✭

    Very difficult to say from these pics because they seem to show wear instead of weak strike.
    XF range I am doubtful of AU

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  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 677 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting comments for sure, the coin in hand has booming luster but the highest points of coin seem a bit flat…i imagine most of you know that a “Trueview” that appears like this when you check the image at PCGS was graded and photographed at PCGS Europe…

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭

    The Date got me looking into the alignment,,, I was kinda curious to see if there was a pattern.
    I'm all about the arrows and the wheat on Morgans,,, maybe I'm way too hard on them.
    I'll pass on the grade I just wanted to show what I seen after looking closer.
    Thanks for sharing :)

  • fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 875 ✭✭✭✭

    Weakly struck coin. Many including me were fooled

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2022 7:34AM

    I would never pay 66 money for a weakly struck/worn coin like that. In my book thats an XF coin no matter what the holder says.

    Here's a 66 and what it should look like.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,482 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow... I was in the XF/AU Camp! The weak strike and breaks in toning (and seeing zero mint luster) swayed my opinion.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    I would never pay 66 money for a weakly struck/worn coin like that. In my book thats an XF coin no matter what the holder says.

    Here's a 66 and what it should look like.

    Personally, I think the OP coin is more attractive than that coin. It has mark free surfaces, some good color, and although it may have a weaker strike, I would wager there's some luster in hand. If presented a choice between these two coins, I'd be taking the OP example. You also have to note that the picture plays a hand in how the detail appears.

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought 65 as the cheek is super clean and bubble like. 66 is lofty for sure and it must have very strong luster to overcome that weak strike.
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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a similar 7tf Morgan in a 63 holder. Then luster probably carries your coin into the high grade. Thank God for grading and knowing how to sell certifieds, as some dealers would give you a fraction of what the coin is worth.

  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Kudos. Yes, the luster must be flashy. Weakly struck for the date though. I do not get that.

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  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2022 4:07AM

    Oh great coin don't get me wrong,, just the date looks strange to me. The last 8 looks like out of alignment. JMO

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2022 5:48AM

    So this is an example of a C coin? Coming out the gate the flat eagles breast got my thumbs down.

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  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 5,953 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Solid GTG example - I would have said 64 - I wonder what cac would say as this might be a fabulous piece in hand.

  • RondorRondor Posts: 116 ✭✭✭

    I would have 50'd it. Wow.

    I would not buy that coin at any price in it's current holder. The seller would never sell where I would want it.

  • neildrobertsonneildrobertson Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love the toning on this. I think everyone here is being unneccesarily harsh. I bet it looks very attractive in hand.

    I agree that the strike weakness is a drawback at that grade though.

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  • RexfordRexford Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have guessed 65. Not sure where the XF/AU grades are coming from

  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 677 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @marcmoish At some point i will send it to CAC and update the post…
    I thought we would get a bit of conversation going about PCGS Europe and their photography….it’s not super great! The coin in hand is pretty nice!

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