Seated Dollar GTG

shish

Following Walkerfan's lead I thought this example might make an interesting guess the grade. What do you think?

pursuitofliberty

In some ways (toning / crust / color) I like yours better, but it's hard to access this picture.

I think I see a little rub and scruff, so AU 58 ... otherwise???

CommemDude

58+ Appears to be minimally circulated, with rub on obverse and hairlines in reverse fields. Very close to what NGC likes to call MS62

DennisH

55+

manlye1

58 Great coin looks like there is some wear on the knee

lermish

My suspicion, given the consensus, is that my grading needs some work. I don't know the series either.

I love the crusty patina and the rev is really sharp but looking at my grading book I had this at a 45.

jayPem

I don't know, 53?

ricko

My first thought was AU55.... I will stick with that. Cheers, RickO

amwldcoin

Get that sucker in a PCGS holder and sell it to me!

Mercury

I'm in the 59 camp.
Nice coin.

jughead1893

53

thefinn

AU 58. I’d lighten it up a tad.

gumby1234

ill guess 55

marcmoish

I can see it in a 55, not higher.

Walkerguy21D

AU 55, and I like the crust also.

TPRC

I'm going with 58, but I could understand anything from 55 to 62.

JBN

55

shish

Very interesting results.

A quick analysis of the guesses reveals that Walkerfan's example graded MS-61 by NGC received 2 MS-61, 7 MS-62, 5 MS-63, 3 MS-64, and 1 MS-65.

My example which is graded MS-61, received guesses of 1 EF-45, 2 AU-53, 6 AU-55, 5 AU-58.

Why is there such a huge difference? EF-45 to MS-65. This example has a slight color change on the obverse high points. The surfaces have original luster under natural toning which appears to be lacking on the previous example.

IMHO images can be very misleading, this is just another example of how difficult it can be to grade from images.

Thanks for participating!

pursuitofliberty

@shish said:
Very interesting results.

My example which is graded MS-61,

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While I guessed 58 because I couldn't get a good read on the picture, in hand I think I'd like her just as much as a 61. I hope we get to see better pictures of her at some point. She looks she could be a wonderful coin.

Walkerfan

I would’ve guessed MS 60.

Very nice example.

TPRC

@shish said:
Very interesting results.

A quick analysis of the guesses reveals that Walkerfan's example graded MS-61 by NGC received 2 MS-61, 7 MS-62, 5 MS-63, 3 MS-64, and 1 MS-65.

My example which is graded MS-61, it received guesses of 1 EF-45, 2 AU-53, 6 AU-55, 5 AU-58.

Why is there such a huge difference? EF-45 to MS-65. This example has a slight color change on the obverse high points. The surfaces have original luster which appears to be lacking on the previous example, images can be very misleading.

IMHO this is just another example of how difficult it can be to grade from images.

Thanks for participating!

I agree with your conclusions, certainly. By way of explanation, I graded yours 58, with some caveats, and Walkerfan's 62. Your reverse showed some signs of wear, and Walkerfan's did not. Your obverse's leg showed some wear, and while the toning looks very original, it is tougher to grade. Walkerfan's obverse showed some distracting hits, but not necessarily wear at the leg. Walkerfan's was also lighter and easier to view, and possibly, or probably dipped at some point.

But I agree with your conclusion and that is why I still don't purchase without an in-hand inspection.

Inspired70

AU53

cameonut2011

53 shot 55

Eldorado9

I'm worried I might be too low, but I'm gonna say 53

Smudge

55.

MFeld

@shish said:
Very interesting results.

A quick analysis of the guesses reveals that Walkerfan's example graded MS-61 by NGC received 2 MS-61, 7 MS-62, 5 MS-63, 3 MS-64, and 1 MS-65.

My example which is graded MS-61, it received guesses of 1 EF-45, 2 AU-53, 6 AU-55, 5 AU-58.

Why is there such a huge difference? EF-45 to MS-65. This example has a slight color change on the obverse high points. The surfaces have original luster which appears to be lacking on the previous example, images can be very misleading.

IMHO this is just another example of how difficult it can be to grade from images.

Thanks for participating!

I think that a good part of the large difference in grade guesses was due, simply to the considerably darker color of your coin. And I can’t really understand any guesses lower than AU55.

kaz

My guess, before I saw the grade, was 63. I just couldn't see any signs of circulation at all, but must have missed some dings. Impressive coin.

Cougar1978

AU50

MrBluster

AU 58

logger7

Slider, original. From what I've seen many collectors like those lustrous and white around Unc..

Crypto

NGC coins are tough because they have a different standard than the overall market. I could see PCGS 55 or NGC 58-62. I see mint frost on the Rev Banner so technically I would grade it 61 but with skin that thick and impacted luster 55-58 is the stickering level. That said it could glow in hand and have full flash in the fields and easily earn a 62

Walkerfan

I can see that there is no rub on this coin, so it is no doubt mint state. BUT, the toning is a little too dark for me, despite it being a testament to it's originality. It also appears to have some heavy chatter on the tell-tale, obverse, right-facing field.

Crypto

What’s the grade

shish

Graded MS-61 by NGC

lkenefic

I'm late to the game here but I was in the 58/58+ camp because of the darker toning. I interpreted breaks in toning as possible rub. These coins are a bit more difficult to gauge... I'm usually on the fence between 58 and 62 for these coins...

dcarr

Apparently, for 1868 Seated Liberty Dollars, both the proof and regular issues have a slight downward slant of the date. So that is of no use in determining the MS or PR status. The pictures are far from optimal for purposes of grading. But I will guess PR58.

MFeld

@dcarr said:
Apparently, for 1868 Seated Liberty Dollars, both the proof and regular issues have a slight downward slant of the date. So that is of no use in determining the MS or PR status. The pictures are far from optimal for purposes of grading. But I will guess PR58.

Two posts above yours, the OP wrote: “Graded MS-61 by NGC”.

Crypto

@dcarr said:
Apparently, for 1868 Seated Liberty Dollars, both the proof and regular issues have a slight downward slant of the date. So that is of no use in determining the MS or PR status. The pictures are far from optimal for purposes of grading. But I will guess PR58.

I typically look at the Luster inside the shield to gauge proofs. That one has strike characteristics of a proof but appears to have satin Luster