numismaticcrimes.org

2windy2fish

Hello all…


I recently purchased this coin a bit foolishly on Ebay… received it a few days ago and decided to check the cert number at NGC, search said “Possible Counterfeit “ …i emailed NGC , and here is what they said…![](https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/zf/7yru8404bqde.png ""
I had never heard of this website/organization… just thought i would share…i know this is not a US coin but this seems like another tool we can use to protect our great hobby!

SlickCoins

Yeah the slab seems fishy to me, I'm not a pro & just my opinion.

ifthevamzarockin

File a SNAD with ebay and get your money back.

2windy2fish

Thank you, i KNOW Ebay will take care of me…not worried about that at all…i was hoping to get the word out about the website

ricko

@2windy2fish... Thanks for the link. That slab does look strange... When I first looked at it, I thought perhaps it was a new generation I had not seen before. Cheers, RickO

LanceNewmanOCC

did my post get removed? maybe i didn't hit post comment?

i supplied the link to the ngc cert page and took me several minutes to get the large ngc images which looked pretty decent, especially for label comparison. the labels are LIGHT years different from each other.

what a bummer.

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lilolme

While this link and/or Doug Davis has been in multiple threads it is clear some have missed it.

@Aspie_Rocco you could add this link to your Resources thread (unless I missed it there already).

Numismatic Crime Information Center (Doug Davis)
http://numismaticcrimes.org

MrEureka

The more appropriate link for counterfeits is:

https://acefonline.org

The Anti-counterfeiting Task Force, like the NCIS, is run by Doug Davis, so presumably everything ends up on the same desk.

derryb

So NGC search shows it as a possible counterfeit, you contact them and they tell you to report it to another site as a possible counterfeit. They authenticated it. I would expect a better answer.

2windy2fish

@derryb I have to agree….many years ago i had a similar example with a China Mazu gold coin and was given the same answer after contacting NGC , return it to the seller for a refund..

BStrauss3

@derryb said:
So NGC search shows it as a possible counterfeit, you contact them and they tell you to report it to another site as a possible counterfeit. They authenticated it. I would expect a better answer.

OPs holder is a FAKE slab - note the genuine has a holographic brown bar and the counterfeit is flat...

NGC didn't authenticate it. They are passing along the information that the cert# is being used in a known counterfeit.

Other than reaching out to the original owner to have it reholdered and the certification canceled, what do you imagine NGC can do? Likely the original, genuine, has been sold five times since it was graded.

derryb

@BStrauss3 said:

@derryb said:
So NGC search shows it as a possible counterfeit, you contact them and they tell you to report it to another site as a possible counterfeit. They authenticated it. I would expect a better answer.

OPs holder is a FAKE slab - note the genuine has a holographic brown bar and the counterfeit is flat...

NGC didn't authenticate it. They are passing along the information that the cert# is being used in a known counterfeit.

Other than reaching out to the original owner to have it reholdered and the certification canceled, what do you imagine NGC can do?

they could have confirmed it was in fact a counterfeit instead of telling owner to report it elsewhere as a possible counterfeit.

ADG

Uh, no. NGC is saying the coin and holder are fake. Therefore not their responsibility. Duh.

lkenefic

This was my first thought for a "numismatic crime"...

BStrauss3

@derryb said:
they could have confirmed it was in fact a counterfeit instead of telling owner to report it elsewhere as a possible counterfeit.

Unless they ask the OP to send photos, all NGC has is the Cert#. Which they know is still valid for ONE coin, but not the counterfeits.