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ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 22, 2023 9:13AM in U.S. Coin Forum

A couple of coins I am thinking of submitting. Any thoughts on how they may grade?


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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Superb pictures, superb coins especially the Liberty nickel which looks gem to me but what do I know?

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    jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From those pics,I could see either going 65 or better

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    jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Snazzy

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with 65 or better. Nice coins. Let know how they grade. B)

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    pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not well versed on color but I'd say 67RB and 66.

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am calling the nickel a cameo proof. Contrast is excellent in hand.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll go 65+RB on the cent and 66 on the nickel. However, with respect to the latter, if significant enough, the apparent hairlines and/or luster grazes in the area from around/above the “10” in the date, to beneath the lower right hair curl could cause me to guess lower.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65RB, 65.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent photos. Ill say 66RB and 67

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll go MS65RB on the cent and PR66 on the nickel.

    I would like to state that proofs cannot be graded from pictures, although it can be attempted. I can't see any hairlines, but they are likely there so I stay with a safe answer of 66. The reverse looks a bit bright for CAM, but the obverse is all there. It's one of the finer proofs for the era I've seen. I need to start looking for one of these to purchase, they are a bit expensive for my budget though.

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the Cent has a good shot at 65RB, and my gut says 66 on the Nickel, which looks hammered and somewhat PL, but it does show just a few whispy's above the date which give me some pause.

    Otherwise ... both are definite eye candy!


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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65 RB
    66 PR

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They both look 65 to me.... Nice coins, be sure to let us know what grades they receive. Cheers, RickO

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful!!!!

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    WDHWDH Posts: 158 ✭✭✭

    Is that a die chip on the "9" on the Indian cent?

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WDH said:
    Is that a die chip on the "9" on the Indian cent?

    I do not see a die chip. Do you mean how the nine almost looks like an eight because it is closed? If so I just think that is how the die was impressed as I have seen other examples that look very similar.

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Indian Cent was purchased from Eagle Eye back in 2014 as a uncertified 63BN. I think Rick is very strict with his grading. He is not a fan of gradeflation as it distorts the true value of coins. I have always thought the coin was Gem with about 10% red remaining. With the coin in hand I would say 65 with a good shot at RB. The Nickel was bought graded as 65Cam. Cracked and conserved by one of the best in the business. My gut feeling is it will get the same grade when submitted.

    I have let my membership to submit to PCGS lapse quite a few years ago. When I join again and submit I will reference this thread and let everyone know what they grade.

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I finally had these graded and the results. Indian Cent MS63RB. Liberty Nickel PR64. Not pleased but Oh Well.


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    1madman1madman Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Curiously, what tpg holder was that nickel in before you cracked it?

    Looks like whoever cleaned it didn’t do it justice, unless it was a really ugly dog before that. Might consider conserving it again with pcgs to try and get your 65 grade back. If the trueview is anywhere close to what it actually looks like, it clearly was downgraded a point just for poor eye appeal.

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow......

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    shishshish Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Indian cent looks better than a 63. Also, I much prefer your images over the Trueview's.
    What's your photo setup?

    Liberty Seated and Trade Dollar Specialist
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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 22, 2023 9:17AM

    @1madman said:
    Curiously, what tpg holder was that nickel in before you cracked it?

    Looks like whoever cleaned it didn’t do it justice, unless it was a really ugly dog before that. Might consider conserving it again with pcgs to try and get your 65 grade back. If the trueview is anywhere close to what it actually looks like, it clearly was downgraded a point just for poor eye appeal.

    Was not an ugly dog before or after the cleaning. The trueview is way darker than the coin in hand. Probably the worst trueview I have seen on one of my coins. Not even close to an in hand look.

    Not only was it a 65 but cam as well.

    The person who conserved the coin said not to go any further. He did not want to take the life out of the coin. Over all I am not upset. All part of the learning curve.

    Forgot to add it was a PCGS holder.

    I would also like to add I did not crack it out. I sent it to an industry leader and he cracked and conserved the coin. No qualms about the results.

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @shish said:
    The Indian cent looks better than a 63. Also, I much prefer your images over the Trueview's.
    What's your photo setup?

    I have no clue why they graded it 63. My photos are much closer to the look of the coins in hand. Who ever shot these was not having one of their best days. As a rule trueviews are much better than I can do. These coins not so much.

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    cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,686 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for sharing your results even though you were disappointed.

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nice the Rick was so close on the cent

    For the nickel, the proper terminology is conserved ... if it was cleaned, it would have been details.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Usually when I am overly optimistic on grading prospects, I see the coins as the grading service saw them when I get them back.

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry that these did not meet your expectations, from your original set of photos I would have guessed 64rb and 65. Have to say that while the TV's are not in the least bit flattering, the nickel does show a good bit of contrast that I did not see in your photos.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The cent deserves a gold CAC for sure.

    I submitted a Proof 1884 liberty nickel in one of my groups for grading at FUN. I’m not very optimistic about a score, after seeing the results this one got.

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    The cent deserves a gold CAC for sure.

    I submitted a Proof 1884 liberty nickel in one of my groups for grading at FUN. I’m not very optimistic about a score, after seeing the results this one got.

    I've been told PCGS is real tough lately.

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @shish said:
    The Indian cent looks better than a 63. Also, I much prefer your images over the Trueview's.
    What's your photo setup?

    I use a setup I purchased from a board member years ago. It is set up for closeups and I can not fit more than a dollar in view.

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    shishshish Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks, your images are excellent.

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    1madman1madman Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ironmanl63 said:

    @1madman said:
    Curiously, what tpg holder was that nickel in before you cracked it?

    Looks like whoever cleaned it didn’t do it justice, unless it was a really ugly dog before that. Might consider conserving it again with pcgs to try and get your 65 grade back. If the trueview is anywhere close to what it actually looks like, it clearly was downgraded a point just for poor eye appeal.

    Was not an ugly dog before or after the cleaning. The trueview is way darker than the coin in hand. Probably the worst trueview I have seen on one of my coins. Not even close to an in hand look.

    Not only was it a 65 but cam as well.

    The person who conserved the coin said not to go any further. He did not want to take the life out of the coin. Over all I am not upset. All part of the learning curve.

    Forgot to add it was a PCGS holder.

    I would also like to add I did not crack it out. I sent it to an industry leader and he cracked and conserved the coin. No qualms about the results.

    This is interesting and perhaps the first time I can recall hearing a coin was cracked out of a holder, conserved, then resubmitted to that same tpg and it downgraded. What grade & designation (cam/dcam) were you expecting after your friend conserved?

    Price guide value shows a drop from $950 in 65cam to $500 for plain 64.

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