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For Grading: 1875-S 20c Piece

CoinHunter4CoinHunter4 Posts: 311 ✭✭✭✭
edited May 24, 2022 6:23AM in U.S. Coin Forum

What grade do you guys think this coin would fetch at PCGS?


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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nice look

    vg/f ?

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    CoinHunter4CoinHunter4 Posts: 311 ✭✭✭✭

    TTT

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VG10

    Mr_Spud

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,094 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2022 6:45AM

    Fine at best but does not meet the qualifications--it should have two or more letter visible for that.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,948 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VG10

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say 10 on a good day.... 8 on a bad day..... Cheers, RickO

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,752 ✭✭✭✭✭

    10


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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VG10

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    8 or 10.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,446 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks cleaned.

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    F12 all day long, lighted for sure but not cleaned.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin strikes me as lightly corroded in the pictures.

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd say VG10 for details but the coin's color looks a little "off"... possibly an old cleaning?

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    sTONERsTONER Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭

    i love it as vg-08

    toner loner
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,487 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In the old days, VG-10. Now it probably has Fine-12 sharpness.

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,737 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first impression was VG10. In that value-range, it's on the fence for me regarding the value of having it graded vs keeping it raw.

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    CoinHunter4CoinHunter4 Posts: 311 ✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM said:
    My first impression was VG10. In that value-range, it's on the fence for me regarding the value of having it graded vs keeping it raw.

    I may get it graded in my first submission just because it is my only 20c piece and my most expensive coin for now...

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    now i've thought it over a bit, is this date known to come weakly struck, meaning it is higher grade than it appears? there are a lot of issues like that where if an astute collector/dealer that can nuance-grade can do pretty well picking stuff off for sub/resub. (i didn't check pricing to see if it really makes much of a diff and i haven't bought a 20c in a long time, mostly from lack of availability in-person)

    i ask because the reverse legend letters obviously weren't circulated as they are too protected, also lady liberties left armpit area is pretty funky looking (a common area for seated liberty funkiness).

    when i look at the portrait, obviously it has been work but kinda has that look of being worn but weak to begin with.

    just an observation/inquiry for those in the know. (i'm ok with 20centers but not sharp)

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,094 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My grade from pictures book by QDB says of fine "Liberty has no more than two and a half letters missing (per ANA grading standards) or can have three letters missing (per PCGS). In the marketplace, some have four or five letters missing."

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    According to ANA Grading Standards (p176): "F12-OBVERSE: Some details show in gown and shield, and at the shoulder and breast. Three or more letters in LIBERTY must be visible. Clasp is worn. Head and hair are flat. " I think the reverse of the OP's coin makes up a bit for obverse even if weakly struck... that's why I settled on VG10.

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭✭✭

    10 here.

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    jclovescoinsjclovescoins Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Strictly I think it is a vg10 but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it graded f12. It’s a nice coin

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    raysrays Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VG8

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    CoinHunter4CoinHunter4 Posts: 311 ✭✭✭✭

    Here are some pictures with defused light that I took today in case anyone wants to take another shot at it (and/or possibly change their opinion):


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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,948 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VG. Not worth slabbing. A good coin for a budget type set.

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    MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VG-8.

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm on the fence of VG to F but think upper end of VG. Looks a lot different in these photos than the first set!

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2022 4:07PM

    Looks very similar to this one in terms of wear, maybe just slightly more worn

    Mr_Spud

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,134 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FN12

    peacockcoins

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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VG8

    Dave

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