For Grading: 1875-S 20c Piece

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CoinHunter4
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edited May 24, 2022 6:23AM in U.S. Coin Forum

What grade do you guys think this coin would fetch at PCGS?


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  • LanceNewmanOCC
    LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    nice look

    vg/f ?

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  • CoinHunter4
    CoinHunter4 Posts: 421 ✭✭✭✭
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    TTT

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  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG10

    Mr_Spud

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,870 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2022 6:45AM
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    Fine at best but does not meet the qualifications--it should have two or more letter visible for that.

  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG10

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would say 10 on a good day.... 8 on a bad day..... Cheers, RickO

  • telephoto1
    telephoto1 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    10


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  • NumisOxide
    NumisOxide Posts: 11,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG10

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    8 or 10.

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,760 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks cleaned.

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  • Crypto
    Crypto Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    F12 all day long, lighted for sure but not cleaned.

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  • amwldcoin
    amwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The coin strikes me as lightly corroded in the pictures.

  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'd say VG10 for details but the coin's color looks a little "off"... possibly an old cleaning?

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  • sTONER
    sTONER Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭
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    i love it as vg-08

    toner loner
  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In the old days, VG-10. Now it probably has Fine-12 sharpness.

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  • BryceM
    BryceM Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My first impression was VG10. In that value-range, it's on the fence for me regarding the value of having it graded vs keeping it raw.

  • CoinHunter4
    CoinHunter4 Posts: 421 ✭✭✭✭
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    @BryceM said:
    My first impression was VG10. In that value-range, it's on the fence for me regarding the value of having it graded vs keeping it raw.

    I may get it graded in my first submission just because it is my only 20c piece and my most expensive coin for now...

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  • LanceNewmanOCC
    LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    now i've thought it over a bit, is this date known to come weakly struck, meaning it is higher grade than it appears? there are a lot of issues like that where if an astute collector/dealer that can nuance-grade can do pretty well picking stuff off for sub/resub. (i didn't check pricing to see if it really makes much of a diff and i haven't bought a 20c in a long time, mostly from lack of availability in-person)

    i ask because the reverse legend letters obviously weren't circulated as they are too protected, also lady liberties left armpit area is pretty funky looking (a common area for seated liberty funkiness).

    when i look at the portrait, obviously it has been work but kinda has that look of being worn but weak to begin with.

    just an observation/inquiry for those in the know. (i'm ok with 20centers but not sharp)

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,870 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My grade from pictures book by QDB says of fine "Liberty has no more than two and a half letters missing (per ANA grading standards) or can have three letters missing (per PCGS). In the marketplace, some have four or five letters missing."

  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    According to ANA Grading Standards (p176): "F12-OBVERSE: Some details show in gown and shield, and at the shoulder and breast. Three or more letters in LIBERTY must be visible. Clasp is worn. Head and hair are flat. " I think the reverse of the OP's coin makes up a bit for obverse even if weakly struck... that's why I settled on VG10.

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  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    10 here.

  • jclovescoins
    jclovescoins Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Strictly I think it is a vg10 but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it graded f12. It’s a nice coin

  • rays
    rays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG8

  • CoinHunter4
    CoinHunter4 Posts: 421 ✭✭✭✭
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    Here are some pictures with defused light that I took today in case anyone wants to take another shot at it (and/or possibly change their opinion):


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  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG. Not worth slabbing. A good coin for a budget type set.

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  • MarkKelley
    MarkKelley Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG-8.

  • kaz
    kaz Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm on the fence of VG to F but think upper end of VG. Looks a lot different in these photos than the first set!

  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2022 4:07PM
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    Looks very similar to this one in terms of wear, maybe just slightly more worn

    Mr_Spud

  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,190 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    FN12

  • Dave99B
    Dave99B Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG8

    Dave

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