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Its ladies night and time for an Indian head question

rodeo514rodeo514 Posts: 217 ✭✭✭

Ok fellas
I've got these 2 Indian heads 1905 and 1906
The variation of pricing on ebay tells me nothing .anywhere from 1.00 to 3 grand,so do I send them in for restoration ? They were In a old plastic case surrounded by a black foamy mesh that deteriorated . They are dirty but otherwise pretty cool.



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  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Compare the wear on your coin to the PCGS grading guidelines. You'll begin to understand that shiny doesn't equal high grades

    https://www.pcgs.com/photograde/#/Indian/Grades

    Member of the ANA since 1982
  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry, but it looks like they were dipped in copper cleaner.

    Dave

    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coins are worth less than $1 each. Restoration would cost far in excess of their value and heavy wear, as is present in this case, can’t be restored, anyway.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • rodeo514rodeo514 Posts: 217 ✭✭✭

    @Dave99B said:
    Sorry, but it looks like they were dipped in copper cleaner.

    Dave

    @Dave99B they were attached to a tie tack.not dipped

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @rodeo514 said:

    @Dave99B said:
    Sorry, but it looks like they were dipped in copper cleaner.

    Dave

    @Dave99B they were attached to a tie tack.not dipped

    I think they were cleaned with some sort of solvent that brightened the color to an unnatural tone. Circulated IHC's should be about the color of my avatar...

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  • rodeo514rodeo514 Posts: 217 ✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    The coins are worth less than $1 each. Restoration would cost far in excess of their value and heavy wear, as is present in this case, can’t be restored, anyway.

    @MFeld
    Why can't they be restored/ cleaned.for coins that are 115 ,I certainly won't sell them for 1 dollar as a go to answer> @Oldhoopster said:

    Compare the wear on your coin to the PCGS grading guidelines. You'll begin to understand that shiny doesn't equal high grades

    https://www.pcgs.com/photograde/#/Indian/Grades

    The black is not corrosion. It is a powdery substance ,so I want to know what you would do if they were yours?

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I opened this thread expecting to see women.

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • rodeo514rodeo514 Posts: 217 ✭✭✭

    @Oldhoopster said:
    Compare the wear on your coin to the PCGS grading guidelines. You'll begin to understand that shiny doesn't equal high grades

    https://www.pcgs.com/photograde/#/Indian/Grades

    @Oldhoopster
    It's difficult to grade without then being cleaned up. The photograde coins are well polished ..

  • rodeo514rodeo514 Posts: 217 ✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:

    @rodeo514 said:

    @Dave99B said:
    Sorry, but it looks like they were dipped in copper cleaner.

    Dave

    @Dave99B they were attached to a tie tack.not dipped

    I think they were cleaned with some sort of solvent that brightened the color to an unnatural tone. Circulated IHC's should be about the color of my avatar...

    @lkenefic a tie tac was attached to the back

  • rodeo514rodeo514 Posts: 217 ✭✭✭

    @ms70 said:
    I opened this thread expecting to see women.

    @ms70 Haha wrong sub!

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,597 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They have absolutely been cleaned and are well circulated, too. Each is worth less than a dollar. However, since you apparently don't know what you don't know, I suggest you contact PCGS and send them in for restoration and then eat the significant sum it will cost to "restore" near worthless coins. Good luck!

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  • rodeo514rodeo514 Posts: 217 ✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    They have absolutely been cleaned and are well circulated, too. Each is worth less than a dollar. However, since you apparently don't know what you don't know, I suggest you contact PCGS and send them in for restoration and then eat the significant sum it will cost to "restore" near worthless coins. Good luck!

    Well my husband and I certainly haven't cleaned them since we found them as filthy tie tacs.maybe I will send them in and eat the loss just so I can hang them on the wall !

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,701 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2022 5:32PM

    You could search eBay for coins of the same date and see what they bring. Look for coins in roughly the same condition as yours, coins where the word LIBERTY is completely worn off the headband. Just because something is old, it does not mean it is valuable.

    Sean Reynolds

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @rodeo514 said:

    @TomB said:
    They have absolutely been cleaned and are well circulated, too. Each is worth less than a dollar. However, since you apparently don't know what you don't know, I suggest you contact PCGS and send them in for restoration and then eat the significant sum it will cost to "restore" near worthless coins. Good luck!

    Well my husband and I certainly haven't cleaned them since we found them as filthy tie tacs.maybe I will send them in and eat the loss just so I can hang them on the wall !

    No one said or implied that you or your husband cleaned them. But unless you’re well more than 100 years old, the coins had plenty of time to have been cleaned before you acquired them. You’ve been provided helpful feedback about the condition and value of the coins from multiple posters. But for whatever reason, you don’t sound as if you’re willing to accept it and benefit from it.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • rodeo514rodeo514 Posts: 217 ✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @rodeo514 said:

    @TomB said:
    They have absolutely been cleaned and are well circulated, too. Each is worth less than a dollar. However, since you apparently don't know what you don't know, I suggest you contact PCGS and send them in for restoration and then eat the significant sum it will cost to "restore" near worthless coins. Good luck!

    Well my husband and I certainly haven't cleaned them since we found them as filthy tie tacs.maybe I will send them in and eat the loss just so I can hang them on the wall !

    No one said or implied that you or your husband cleaned them. But unless you’re well more than 100 years old, the coins had plenty of time to have been cleaned before you acquired them. You’ve been provided helpful feedback about the condition and value of the coins from multiple posters. But for whatever reason, you don’t sound as if you’re willing to accept it and benefit from it.

    @mfeld thank you for the comments and opinions.i do appreciate the feedback . That's why I'm here.its a let down but I'll move on. I had a birthday over the weekend but not near 100 so you got a point there. I'm amazed by the experts that can see a picture and know right away.unlike myself who studies but my eyes don't see what long time experience tells .
    I'll get there😉

  • rodeo514rodeo514 Posts: 217 ✭✭✭

    @seanq said:
    You could search eBay for coins of the same date and see what they bring. Look for coins in roughly the same condition as yours, coins where the word LIBERTY is completely worm off the headband. Just because something is old, it does not mean it is valuable.

    Sean Reynolds

    @seanq said:
    You could search eBay for coins of the same date and see what they bring. Look for coins in roughly the same condition as yours, coins where the word LIBERTY is completely worm off the headband. Just because something is old, it does not mean it is valuable.

    Sean Reynolds

    @seanq
    Ok definitely can't see the word LIBERTY. That's why I was looking for info .I have little knowledge on these cents and still trying to learn to self-grade.i think I overcomplicate . It's called paralysis from analysis! Thanks

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,317 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2022 7:15PM

    @TomB said:
    They have absolutely been cleaned and are well circulated, too. Each is worth less than a dollar. However, since you apparently don't know what you don't know, I suggest you contact PCGS and send them in for restoration and then eat the significant sum it will cost to "restore" near worthless coins. Good luck!

    Yes, both coins are cull examples of common dates and are worth less than a dollar each. We are trying to you money.

    You would do well to buy a copy of the ANA grading guide and study it. I stated to learn to grade coins from line drawing in the early 1960s, and learned more from photographs in “Photograde” in the late 1960s and early ‘70s. After that I looked at as many coins as possible.

    Learning to grade coins takes study, practice, some shots from the school of hard knocks and some God given talent. There are people who never learn. I’ve been a collector for 60+ years and was a dealer for almost 20 years.

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @seanq said:
    You could search eBay for coins of the same date and see what they bring. Look for coins in roughly the same condition as yours, coins where the word LIBERTY is completely worn off the headband. Just because something is old, it does not mean it is valuable.

    Sean Reynolds

    "Just because something is old,it does not mean it is valuable". Hey that's our wives you are talking about. :)

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @rodeo514.... Excellent advice above. Learning to grade is not something that occurs in a day.... It takes a lot of study, training and viewing coins. Do not feel bad or become discouraged, it is a process and takes time and dedication. Your cents are former jewelry (tie tacs you said) and were old cents and copper re-plated to look good. Cheers, RickO

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  • hfjacintohfjacinto Posts: 880 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For the coins to really have much value they need to be higher grade. Something like this (these are mine) and even these are sub $100 coins.




    Yours are damaged and "enhanced" to look better, no one will give you much for them. I value them in the condition they are in as under a $1.

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