@FlyingAl said: @Ryan3 - This is a coin that you likely will not get a good price without it being certified. The advice when it comes to key date highly counterfeited coins is get it certified before you sell. Many collectors won't buy such a coin without the security of a TPG's guarantee, so I'd recommend sending it in if you intend to sell. If not, then you can decide.
I'd love to do that. That's why I made the original post to get info on what to do with it. I wanna be safe on my end and if I sold it, I wanted the buyer to feel the same way.
I've only looked at PCGS but I don't know which company is best for this type of coin. If I'm sending a coin off, I'd rather have it done as quickly as possible. Do most companies offer express or anything?
Way to jump in here with what I call a great icebreaker thread,
Joe
I appreciate it so much Joe! I'm still bouncing around the forums and reading posts and it's obvious that the coin community is incredible. Wish I had known about this site years ago as I probably would have started collecting coins more!
@Ryan3 Your coin is genuine, it has been cleaned and has some minor rim damage. If you send it in for grading it should come back in a details/cleaned holder. It's a nice coin that will still sell well and many collectors would be happy to add it to their penny book. Since you are able to take good photos grading is not a must.
Grading services automatically will determine if a coin has been cleaned when grading. Cleaning will result in a "Details" grade, as cleaned coins are not eligible for numerical (1-70) grading. No need to tell them, they will figure it out .
PCGS is a good service for this, it seems grading is taking around a half year give or take a month or so. I wouldn't send this coin in express as it would eat into the value of the coin. I'd send it in using the Regular tier, which would be a bit cheaper albeit slower. I would estimate the grade at around XF Details from the pictures, seems that values it at around $1200.
Way to jump in here with what I call a great icebreaker thread,
Joe
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@ifthevamzarockin said: @Ryan3 Your coin is genuine, it has been cleaned and has some minor rim damage. If you send it in for grading it should come back in a details/cleaned holder. It's a nice coin that will still sell well and many collectors would be happy to add it to their penny book. Since you are able to take good photos grading is not a must.
Sorry for the stupid question but what exactly is a details/cleaned holder? Is that an ungraded coin holder that grading companies provide? If they are ungraded, is the holder moreso to show the coin as genuine?
Whether it's in a holder or not, I wasn't sure what the value even was. I don't know enough to really determine values even based on ebay sales. Seems like a mess of stuff there and some of the incredible members here have already pointed out fakes that sold on there!
@FlyingAl said:
Grading services automatically will determine if a coin has been cleaned when grading. Cleaning will result in a "Details" grade, as cleaned coins are not eligible for numerical (1-70) grading. No need to tell them, they will figure it out .
PCGS is a good service for this, it seems grading is taking around a half year give or take a month or so. I wouldn't send this coin in express as it would eat into the value of the coin. I'd send it in using the Regular tier, which would be a bit cheaper albeit slower. I would estimate the grade at around XF Details from the pictures, seems that values it at around $1200.
I didn't notice this reply until after I asked so many questions in my last reply! Thank you for the info as well. I'm new to sending coins for grading so I'd probably be nervous sending regular and having to wait so long!
Where does XF stand as far as the conditions for coins go? Like I know PSA and Beckett in cards go from 1-10. I suppose I can look that up!
Anacs might be a good choice for certifying this coin since the verdict seems to be that it's cleaned.
PCGS is of course the top shelf grading company, but for a coin that's going to get a details/cleaned grade, you might just send it to whoever is turning coins around the fastest these days...🤔
Plus, anacs used to be the only service that didn't require a membership to submit. Just sending one coin to PCGS is expensive, unless you can find a local dealer who will add it onto one of there submissions at a reasonable cost..
@ifthevamzarockin said: @Ryan3 Your coin is genuine, it has been cleaned and has some minor rim damage. If you send it in for grading it should come back in a details/cleaned holder. It's a nice coin that will still sell well and many collectors would be happy to add it to their penny book. Since you are able to take good photos grading is not a must.
@Ryan3
This is a good sign for you, you've got 2 barks for genuine from the old dog, heck I do good to get 1, sometimes I have to take away his pig ear dog treats
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@jayPem said:
Anacs might be a good choice for certifying this coin since the verdict seems to be that it's cleaned.
PCGS is of course the top shelf grading company, but for a coin that's going to get a details/cleaned grade, you might just send it to whoever is turning coins around the fastest these days...🤔
Plus, anacs used to be the only service that didn't require a membership to submit. Just sending one coin to PCGS is expensive, unless you can find a local dealer who will add it onto one of there submissions at a reasonable cost..
Thank you for the info Jay! That's the one thing that I can remember forever ago was that it had been cleaned in some capacity.
I asked about the faster grading/authenticating because I know on the sportscard side of things, PSA and Beckett both offer express options but it's def more expensive.
If you really want to have it graded you may want to look into ANACS as an option.
There is a fair chance you would get it back faster and save a buck or 2 on grading.
Any of the top 3 can confirm it's genuine.
@ifthevamzarockin said: @Ryan3 Your coin is genuine, it has been cleaned and has some minor rim damage. If you send it in for grading it should come back in a details/cleaned holder. It's a nice coin that will still sell well and many collectors would be happy to add it to their penny book. Since you are able to take good photos grading is not a must.
@Ryan3
This is a good sign for you, you've got 2 barks for genuine from the old dog, heck I do good to get 1, sometimes I have to take away his pig ear dog treats
LOL that is great! Don't take all of his treats away! All of you have been so informative and kind to me that I truly appreciate it. While I don't know everyone personally, you took time to respond and give me more info than I expected. Just know that I appreciate you.
Vamz - I was trying my best to take some good photos but I'm not the best at it yet lol. I'm just glad many of you looked at the pictures or link that I provided. I felt like I was breaking some rules as a newbie by doing that! Hopefully they don't kick me for posting links like that.
It really is a nice coin and I'm just learning how important certain coins are to people's collections. I'd say this is a popular penny and I'm sure there are several more.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
If you really want to have it graded you may want to look into ANACS as an option.
There is a fair chance you would get it back faster and save a buck or 2 on grading.
Any of the top 3 can confirm it's genuine.
Well prior to joining the site, I was considering sending it somewhere to get graded/authenticated. If I sold it, I just wasn't sure how well coins sell ungraded vs graded. I figured that most prefer it in those cases and it probably looks better in a collection. Are majority of your coins in your personal collection in holders or do you have lots of ungraded stuff as well?
@jayPem said:
Anacs might be a good choice for certifying this coin since the verdict seems to be that it's cleaned.
PCGS is of course the top shelf grading company, but for a coin that's going to get a details/cleaned grade, you might just send it to whoever is turning coins around the fastest these days...🤔
Plus, anacs used to be the only service that didn't require a membership to submit. Just sending one coin to PCGS is expensive, unless you can find a local dealer who will add it onto one of there submissions at a reasonable cost..
@ifthevamzarockin said: "I was trying my best to take some good photos but I'm not the best at it yet lol."
Your photos are very good for a newbie and they show what needs to be seen.
"I felt like I was breaking some rules as a newbie by doing that! Hopefully they don't kick me for posting links like that."
You are fine to post links like that or I would not have told you it was okay.
It's the Iphone 13 doing all the work!
Yeah, I forgot about that! I'll eventually learn how to get them in the threads properly too!
Also is a link to a page on grading standards and is: https://www.pcgs.com/grades
On this page click on the No Grades to get explanation of the Details grade.
Also is a link to a page on grading standards and is: https://www.pcgs.com/grades
On this page click on the No Grades to get explanation of the Details grade.
Note on the first page is a list of estimated times it would take (these are business days) so yes Express can be much faster right now.
Wow thank you for doing that! I will go back and look at it since it was a month or so ago when I first looked into it. If I sent it off express, I know it would add up and cost some $$$. I don't even know what normal coin grading prices used to be but I'm guessing they experienced increases like sports cards.
@ifthevamzarockin said: "Are majority of your coins in your personal collection in holders or do you have lots of ungraded stuff as well?"
Equal amounts of both.
I would have no problem buying your coin raw with the photos you have provided.
Ahh cool!
Def great to hear then. If I sold it ,I'd def want it going to a great home. I know it's important to show as much as you can. I guess I'm learning which parts of the coin are most important as well. I'm going to be pulling some more coins out as well and taking some photos of them. Will be a variety of stuff.
Welcome to the forum! As many have already told you, your pics are very good. Lincoln cents get a lot of attention around here and seem to be always popular.
looking at the color variations around the lettering and the lack of hairlines, I'd say it's more a lightly polished type of cleaning. and i'd rule out a strong chemical cleaning, too. it's still worth several hundred dollars despite.
@jedm said:
Welcome to the forum! As many have already told you, your pics are very good. Lincoln cents get a lot of attention around here and seem to be always popular.
Thank you for the welcome! Yeah I've always known that silver coins were popular but lots of really important Lincolns out there as well.
@MsMorrisine said:
cleaning seems to be used generically here.
looking at the color variations around the lettering and the lack of hairlines, I'd say it's more a lightly polished type of cleaning. and i'd rule out a strong chemical cleaning, too. it's still worth several hundred dollars despite.
Yeah I'm not even sure what people use for cleaning. This coin has been stored for so long, I wouldn't even have a good guess on when it happened. I think I saw on PCGS website that they offer some sort of "restoration" service but that may be for some severely damaged coins that people send in.
"I saw on PCGS website that they offer some sort of "restoration" service"
This is for coins that have minor problems like something on the coin or ugly toning.
Once a coin is improperly cleaned they can't un-clean it or restore it.
@ifthevamzarockin said: "I saw on PCGS website that they offer some sort of "restoration" service"
This is for coins that have minor problems like something on the coin or ugly toning.
Once a coin is improperly cleaned they can't un-clean it or restore it.
Oh ok I just remember seeing that word on their website!
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Welcome to the forum.
Way to jump in here with what I call a great icebreaker thread,
Joe
I'd love to do that. That's why I made the original post to get info on what to do with it. I wanna be safe on my end and if I sold it, I wanted the buyer to feel the same way.
I've only looked at PCGS but I don't know which company is best for this type of coin. If I'm sending a coin off, I'd rather have it done as quickly as possible. Do most companies offer express or anything?
@FlyingAl
I see the strike doubling as well, and if that's altered that's really well done.
That very same thing went through my mind several times, h** of a job!
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I appreciate it so much Joe! I'm still bouncing around the forums and reading posts and it's obvious that the coin community is incredible. Wish I had known about this site years ago as I probably would have started collecting coins more!
@Ryan3 Your coin is genuine, it has been cleaned and has some minor rim damage. If you send it in for grading it should come back in a details/cleaned holder. It's a nice coin that will still sell well and many collectors would be happy to add it to their penny book. Since you are able to take good photos grading is not a must.
Grading services automatically will determine if a coin has been cleaned when grading. Cleaning will result in a "Details" grade, as cleaned coins are not eligible for numerical (1-70) grading. No need to tell them, they will figure it out
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PCGS is a good service for this, it seems grading is taking around a half year give or take a month or so. I wouldn't send this coin in express as it would eat into the value of the coin. I'd send it in using the Regular tier, which would be a bit cheaper albeit slower. I would estimate the grade at around XF Details from the pictures, seems that values it at around $1200.
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Sorry for the stupid question but what exactly is a details/cleaned holder? Is that an ungraded coin holder that grading companies provide? If they are ungraded, is the holder moreso to show the coin as genuine?
Whether it's in a holder or not, I wasn't sure what the value even was. I don't know enough to really determine values even based on ebay sales. Seems like a mess of stuff there and some of the incredible members here have already pointed out fakes that sold on there!
Yes, the coin would not be graded with a numerical grade and would just say Genuine on the holder.
I didn't notice this reply until after I asked so many questions in my last reply! Thank you for the info as well. I'm new to sending coins for grading so I'd probably be nervous sending regular and having to wait so long!
Where does XF stand as far as the conditions for coins go? Like I know PSA and Beckett in cards go from 1-10. I suppose I can look that up!
XF is 40-45. AU starts at 50.
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Anacs might be a good choice for certifying this coin since the verdict seems to be that it's cleaned.
PCGS is of course the top shelf grading company, but for a coin that's going to get a details/cleaned grade, you might just send it to whoever is turning coins around the fastest these days...🤔
Plus, anacs used to be the only service that didn't require a membership to submit. Just sending one coin to PCGS is expensive, unless you can find a local dealer who will add it onto one of there submissions at a reasonable cost..
@Ryan3
This is a good sign for you, you've got 2 barks for genuine from the old dog, heck I do good to get 1, sometimes I have to take away his pig ear dog treats
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!
Ahh ok I understand. I wasn't sure if all coins got a number grade or not (no matter if cleaned or not)
Oh ok! I've got more to learn I can see lol
Thank you for the info Jay! That's the one thing that I can remember forever ago was that it had been cleaned in some capacity.
I asked about the faster grading/authenticating because I know on the sportscard side of things, PSA and Beckett both offer express options but it's def more expensive.
If you really want to have it graded you may want to look into ANACS as an option.
There is a fair chance you would get it back faster and save a buck or 2 on grading.
Any of the top 3 can confirm it's genuine.
LOL that is great! Don't take all of his treats away! All of you have been so informative and kind to me that I truly appreciate it. While I don't know everyone personally, you took time to respond and give me more info than I expected. Just know that I appreciate you.
Vamz - I was trying my best to take some good photos but I'm not the best at it yet lol. I'm just glad many of you looked at the pictures or link that I provided. I felt like I was breaking some rules as a newbie by doing that! Hopefully they don't kick me for posting links like that.
It really is a nice coin and I'm just learning how important certain coins are to people's collections. I'd say this is a popular penny and I'm sure there are several more.
"I was trying my best to take some good photos but I'm not the best at it yet lol."
Your photos are very good for a newbie and they show what needs to be seen.
"I felt like I was breaking some rules as a newbie by doing that! Hopefully they don't kick me for posting links like that."
You are fine to post links like that or I would not have told you it was okay.
Well prior to joining the site, I was considering sending it somewhere to get graded/authenticated. If I sold it, I just wasn't sure how well coins sell ungraded vs graded. I figured that most prefer it in those cases and it probably looks better in a collection. Are majority of your coins in your personal collection in holders or do you have lots of ungraded stuff as well?
It's the Iphone 13 doing all the work!
Yeah, I forgot about that! I'll eventually learn how to get them in the threads properly too!
@Ryan3
This is the overall page for pcgs grading information.
https://www.pcgs.com/services
On that page is the link to the collectors club to submit coins and is:
https://www.pcgs.com/join
Also is a link to a page on grading standards and is:
https://www.pcgs.com/grades
On this page click on the No Grades to get explanation of the Details grade.
And then the prices link:
https://www.pcgs.com/servicesandfees
Note on the first page is a list of estimated times it would take (these are business days) so yes Express can be much faster right now.
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"Are majority of your coins in your personal collection in holders or do you have lots of ungraded stuff as well?"
Equal amounts of both.
I would have no problem buying your coin raw with the photos you have provided.
Wow thank you for doing that! I will go back and look at it since it was a month or so ago when I first looked into it. If I sent it off express, I know it would add up and cost some $$$. I don't even know what normal coin grading prices used to be but I'm guessing they experienced increases like sports cards.
Ahh cool!
Def great to hear then. If I sold it ,I'd def want it going to a great home. I know it's important to show as much as you can. I guess I'm learning which parts of the coin are most important as well. I'm going to be pulling some more coins out as well and taking some photos of them. Will be a variety of stuff.
Welcome to the forum! As many have already told you, your pics are very good. Lincoln cents get a lot of attention around here and seem to be always popular.
cleaning seems to be used generically here.
looking at the color variations around the lettering and the lack of hairlines, I'd say it's more a lightly polished type of cleaning. and i'd rule out a strong chemical cleaning, too. it's still worth several hundred dollars despite.
Thank you for the welcome! Yeah I've always known that silver coins were popular but lots of really important Lincolns out there as well.
Yeah I'm not even sure what people use for cleaning. This coin has been stored for so long, I wouldn't even have a good guess on when it happened. I think I saw on PCGS website that they offer some sort of "restoration" service but that may be for some severely damaged coins that people send in.
"I saw on PCGS website that they offer some sort of "restoration" service"
This is for coins that have minor problems like something on the coin or ugly toning.
Once a coin is improperly cleaned they can't un-clean it or restore it.
Oh ok I just remember seeing that word on their website!
Hope everyone is having a wonderful weekend! I had such a busy work but finally had a little time to read on the forums tonight!