That Had To Hurt

lilolme

Just a little fun with some adjustment marks that seem a bit on the heavy side.
So what do you think - were they having a bad day.

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It appears the adjustment marks on the outer edge may have caused the weak strike in the same area on this one.
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FlyingAl

All I can say it that I’m glad they moved those adjustments to the edges later on. It’s cool for a few years as history, but then they are really distracting.

LanceNewmanOCC

some great examples there of essentially destroying beautiful designs for small amounts of savings. i'm sure it added up over many coins but at too steep a cost, imo. i'd would have LOVED to have been there when they were doing that as a means of compensating for the lack of ability to just get the flans/stock correct to start with. (seems like there could have been a way to "plane" the stock a bit and it would not be perfect but FAR better than this) personally, i'd just have tossed em back in the melting pot before releasing a product like that, after all that immense amount of talent, time, hard work etc. to get them JUST right, only to blow the whole thing on the last step. (been there done that!)

could you imagine works of art having big scrapes going across them because the paint was so expensive/ingredients, that if the artist felt there was just too much money left on the canvas....

i accept them and glad they grade them but my mind will never stop being boggled as this being the ONLY solution possible to saving a little money.

what do you think? (i know we've discussed these at length many times, like essentially every other subject in numismatics!)

Floridafacelifter

That 1794 $ above is mine, and it does have crazy adjustment marks- that’s part of what attracted me to the coin- but besides those look how nicely detailed the eagle’s feathers and head are for an XF40.

Walkerguy21D

I didn’t realize that they were still adjusting the planchet weight as late as 1805…..maybe even later I suppose?

AUandAG

@Walkerguy21D said:
I didn’t realize that they were still adjusting the planchet weight as late as 1805…..maybe even later I suppose?

There are photos of women sitting at adjustment tables in Carson City doing the same in the 1880's. But then that's a Branch Mint.....
bob

ricko

Definitely a distraction, even though we know why they are there. Called graffiti when it happens PM.....Cheers, RickO

OldeTowneCoinShoppe

The marks are not distracting to some, like myself, who appreciate them as an integral part of the early minting process.

joeykoins

Regardless of the adjustment marks.
Still beautiful!

LanceNewmanOCC

@Walkerguy21D said:
I didn’t realize that they were still adjusting the planchet weight as late as 1805…..maybe even later I suppose?

that'd make a neat thread where the first post starts at 1792/3 and each subsequent post, someone posts an adjusted coin for that year, on and on to see how late we can go for an example for each possible year!

crazyhounddog

@OldeTowneCoinShoppe said:
The marks are not distracting to some, like myself, who appreciate them as an integral part of the early minting process.

Took the words right outta my mouth. Well stated.

jesbroken

@OldeTowneCoinShoppe said:
The marks are not distracting to some, like myself, who appreciate them as an integral part of the early minting process.

I totally agree, with the following caveat, I would prefer them not to be there, but I do not find them distracting, but realistic for the era.
Jim

Smudge

Just part of history and sort of cool.

savoyspecial

The first time I saw the TruView of that 1794 dollar I disliked it (no offense @Floridafacelifter) but now it's growing on me.

@lilolme regarding the same coin, you say "It appears the adjustment marks on the outer edge may have caused the weak strike in the same area on this one"

That issue is ALWAYS found with weakness on the left hand side

PerryHall

I never cared for heavy adjustment marks in prime focal areas on coins and I consider them to be ugly. I would avoid such coins unless their price was sharply discounted and even then I would normally pass on them.

lkenefic

I don't mind the adjustment marks at all... in fact, the coin minting process in the late 18thC was more of a cottage industry and relied on these sort of manual "tweaks" along the way. In my opinion, this makes them MORE collectable. Just look at how many dies got blown through just making 1794 Cents... and that was with a more malleable metal.

lilolme

@savoyspecial said:
The first time I saw the TruView of that 1794 dollar I disliked it (no offense @Floridafacelifter) but now it's growing on me.

@lilolme regarding the same coin, you say "It appears the adjustment marks on the outer edge may have caused the weak strike in the same area on this one"

That issue is ALWAYS found with weakness on the left hand side

I did look at some others and some that had the weakness on the left but even for those this one had more all around the perimeter. Here are a couple of good strikes and one with similar left side softness but better elsewhere.

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