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Is this a 1919 2 Feathers Buffalo?

nencoinnencoin Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭✭

The first coin PCGS declined to attribute as a 2-feather. The second coin is attributed as a 2-feather. The third coin is just a regular 1919. Thoughts?




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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the first 2 are.

    they may be 2 1/2 but i think they just call em all 2 on holder.

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  • nencoinnencoin Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭✭

    I just noticed it's not in the latest edition of Cherrypickers. Perhaps PCGS no longer recognizes the variety? It appears that NGC never has.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am not a buffalo collector but do have them in my collection.
    I have tried to understand 2 feathers and 2.5 feather coins but quite honestly even with reference pictures, I just do not know how to see what I am looking for.
    Can someone circle the above pics which I hope will train my eyes as to what to center my focus to.
    Thanks
    Wayne

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,983 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While, I am not a collector of 2 feather buffs, I do have a few. I'm not sure if this disturbance in the area prevented the 2 feather designation or not. I would have thought it to be a 2 feather, but then that's me.
    Jim


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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nencoin said:
    I just noticed it's not in the latest edition of Cherrypickers. Perhaps PCGS no longer recognizes the variety? It appears that NGC never has.

    .
    fwiw, w/o even having the latest editions, i know they don't have everything in them. they probably removed this and a few others as the values have came down as the pops have gone up? i can't even fathom why something like this would be removed besides illogical politics.

    a quick check to the pops would confirm. usually anyway.

    as for the comment about disturbance in the area, a basic comparison would show this to be an abraded die.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As long as a trace of the third feather is visible, it is not a two feather. Many call them two and a half feather... but they do not get attributed. Cheers, RickO

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can still see the third feather, which is why it wasn’t attributed as a two feather.

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  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Third feather is still visible, though just barely.
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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,362 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the first one is, the second should be also.


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  • nencoinnencoin Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks everyone for the feedback. Much appreciated! I agree with @ajaan - the first two should be attributed the same. (The first one is not attributed as one, the second one is.) Here's another PCGS certified 2-feather:


  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    I can still see the third feather, which is why it wasn’t attributed as a two feather.

    According to the late Ron Pope, who provided the list below, NO TRACE of a feather should show. Should there be any lee way? Ron might have been speaking with regard to Buffalo purists, who generally have much stricter guidelines.

    The market seems to allow for some trace, as is evidenced by some of the coins in this thread.

    Pete

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  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you're convinced, then send it in for a reconsider.


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