1888/7 Indian Cent?

SpecGotCoins

Camera quality is bad. The signs are very subtle but there. Not all 1888/7 are extremely visible

Texas77

Your camera is poop

for me your close-up is too blurry to see the edges of the 7 underneath the 8

johnny9434

No

No way of telling. The pics are to blurry

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MarkKelley

No

It doesn't have the diagnostic rim cud at 9:00 on the obverse.

DelawareDoons

No

@MarkKelley said:
It doesn't have the diagnostic rim cud at 9:00 on the obverse.

This. Also, the majority of these have a very weak second bottom feather on the headdress. Yours doesn't. It's not a disqualifier but its darn near close.

yosclimber

No

Date position on your coin is too far to the left - the flag tip of your 1 is left of the bust point.
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1888-7-1c-bn/2169

SpecGotCoins

Yes

Oldhoopster

No

Why are you insisting it's an 8/7. These came from 1 die that has specific characteristics that were pointed out previously. That die has a cud and your coin does not exhibit that cud. Please explain how your coin can be from that die?

Namvet69

Me no like out of focus pics. Try harder, check the image before you post it. Good luck

alaura22

No

No

ricko

No

Definitely not... the last 8 has some PMD.... Cheers, RickO

SpecGotCoins

Yes

@Oldhoopster said:
Why are you insisting it's an 8/7. These came from 1 die that has specific characteristics that were pointed out previously. That die has a cud and your coin does not exhibit that cud. Please explain how your coin can be from that die?

The cuds location is on the rim, the rim is worn. I looked up it's location and there appears to be a small hole, exactly where the cud should be. I was pretty excited when I saw it.

SpecGotCoins

Yes

Also on the last 8, bottom left, you can see where the bottom of the seven protrudes

SpecGotCoins

Yes

lkenefic

No

Here is the Coinfacts link. Your piece lacks the diagnostics around the date as well as the cud at 9 o'clock...

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1888-7-1c-bn/2169

Crypto

no Agree with PP, I dont see the cud

mbogoman

No

No cud, no cud "remnant", no bottom of a 7 protruding from the 8 = Nope, not the overdate. EOS.

SpecGotCoins

Yes

Y'all are negative lol. Not all examples have the cid or the markings you're talking about. Some are very subtle and pretty much non visible. Look at all the examples on PCGS. Some you can't even tell. This has to be the 88/7. Ya negative goobers lol

Walkerfan

No

I'm not seeing it...

IkesT

Some of the best trolls don't know they are a troll.

Oldhoopster

No

@SpecGotCoins said:
Y'all are negative lol. Not all examples have the cid or the markings you're talking about. Some are very subtle and pretty much non visible. Look at all the examples on PCGS. Some you can't even tell. This has to be the 88/7. Ya negative goobers lol

You've been receiving feedback from numerous experienced collectors. These arent "some guys sitting at the end of the bar". Most have decades of experience in numismatics. They know the Indian cent reference by Snow. While it would be great if you found something, members aren't going to tell you what you want go hear, they will tell you truthfully what you have. And the overwhelming consensus is telling you that you don't have anything

You have a tremendous opportunity to learn from this extremely knowledgeable group, but have decided to be derogatory. It would be a shame if people choose to ignore your posts. Just saying.

Desert Moon

Your camera is poop

No point in posting images that don't have the quality to display your point............ Seriously.............................

AUandAG

No

Heck yes, send that mother in asap. Get it on the label!

bob

SpecGotCoins

Yes

Negative goobers is derogatory? Sounded cute to me. Say what you want. I still think it's an 88/7. But I ain't mad at ya. Love all

yosclimber

No

You did not respond to my observation about
the date position being too far left on your coin.
Maybe this photo comparison will help you see this.
It is left by one full dentil.

The black line on both photos is dead vertical.
I rotated both photos to make the left edge of the neck vertical to do this.

Even without the line, it's easy to see the 1 on your coin is left of the bust tip.
On the genuine 1888/7, the flag tip of the 1 is right of the bust tip.

Or compare the position of the middle 8 in the date, relative to the right edge of the ribbon.

P.S. Your photos are good enough to show it is not the 8/7.
You just have to know what to look at.

SpecGotCoins

Yes

Thanks @yosclimber ✌️☺️

lcutler

No

I think yosclimber's pictures put it to rest once and for all.

jmlanzaf

No

@lcutler said:
I think yosclimber's pictures put it to rest once and for all.

And yet I'm willing to bet it's not over.

Vetter

No

I think you should send it in to PCGS at the most expensive service they offer. Once you get it back and find you are not happy with the results, send it in to NGC with their most expensive service. Then back to PCGS. You should continue this till you get the results you are hoping for.

SpecGotCoins

Yes

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ifthevamzarockin

Better photos but still not 8/7

MarkKelley

No

Still no.

johnny9434

No

No by the looks of things

SpecGotCoins

Yes

How a no still? Not all 88 over 7s look the same and are appearant as others. Some you can hardly tell or ever see the seven at the bottom of the 8. There are undeniable things here.

yosclimber

No

You can dream it's the 8/7, but with the wrong date position,
and too worn to show the dentil cud, I doubt you will be able to sell it for 8/7 money.

Keep looking, you might find one. But others are looking as well.

SpecGotCoins

Yes

@yosclimber said:
You can dream it's the 8/7, but with the wrong date position,
and too worn to show the dentil cud, I doubt you will be able to sell it for 8/7 money.

Keep looking, you might find one. But others are looking as well.

True. The selling bit. They have two different date positions? I don't remember but something with the dates is different on different varieties. There are some forums that get into deeper detail than others about certain similarities. Thanks for the input. Good luck with your collecting as well 🖤✌️🧐

Vetter

No

I suggest since you don’t want to listen to anyone on here and it seems you have your mind set that it is no matter what. Spend the money and send it in, unless you don’t think the graders at PCGS or NGC don’t know what they are doing also.

redraider

No

Nope….date position is too far to the left as mentioned above. On the 1888/7 S-1 overdate, the date position is the same on EVERY coin as they were all made with just one die. The coin pictured is not in the right position, therefore cannot be the 8/7 overdate.

jedm

@yosclimber said:
P.S. Your photos are good enough to show it is not the 8/7.
You just have to know what to look at.

You have great photos, it's just that you're not able to see what they show. Have fun!

IkesT

@SpecGotCoins said:
There are undeniable things here.

LOL

jmlanzaf

No

@SpecGotCoins said:
How a no still? Not all 88 over 7s look the same and are appearant as others. Some you can hardly tell or ever see the seven at the bottom of the 8. There are undeniable things here.

ALL 8 over 7 do look the same. The overdate is on the die and all coins struck are identical. You can only "hardly tell" on a very worn coin. Yours is not. The date is quite clear and quite clearly a straight 88 with no overdate.

alaura22

No

Here's mine,
Take a look at the date position

Yours is NOT an overdate

Paradisefound

Here it is you want to hear ……

YES it is 1888/7!

@SpecGotCoins said:
Y'all are negative lol. Not all examples have the cid or the markings you're talking about. Some are very subtle and pretty much non visible. Look at all the examples on PCGS. Some you can't even tell. This has to be the 88/7. Ya negative goobers lol

Oldhoopster

No

Take a look at your poll. Those members who voted no, include error experts, experienced dealers, and very knowledgeable collectors with decades of experience. NOBODY feels this coin is 8 over 7. Nobody.

They've even given you information on why it can't be an 8/7. Based on facts.

By continuing to post pics, and say "what about this " or "can't you see that", especially after all of the feedback you've received, it comes across as " I don't believe what you're saying". Think about it. A unanimous consensus by a large number of members including top experts, should tell you all you need to know. Unless you still believe everyone is wrong?

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rec78

I did not vote because I do not know. It may or may not be. This is a variety that I have looked for and never found. An overvalued variety INHO because a lot of time it is very hard to detect sometimes, as is your coin. I need to see more of the 7 for me to purchase it. I would not purchase it as a1888/7. Still, someone out there that thinks it is a 1888/7 may want it. I will wait for a more determinable example. Even, if you slab it as such, it is not for me. Slabbing will make it much more desirable and sellable.

SpecGotCoins

Yes

@rec78 said:
I did not vote because I do not know. It may or may not be. This is a variety that I have looked for and never found. An overvalued variety INHO because a lot of time it is very hard to detect sometimes, as is your coin. I need to see more of the 7 for me to purchase it. I would not purchase it as a1888/7. Still, someone out there that thinks it is a 1888/7 may want it. I will wait for a more determinable example. Even, if you slab it as such, it is not for me. Slabbing will make it much more desirable and sellable.

Thanks dude. I appreciate your honesty. Overvalued variety?

SpecGotCoins

Yes

@SummerDays3104 said:
This dudes still going at this 2 months later… give it a break man… you found nothing and that’s that

Relax man. Go have some pie, a run, a massage. You seem, tense.

clarkbar04

The cud wouldn't wear flat with the rest of the rim.

There's a difference in being negative and not going along with the opinion you'd like to hear. Most of us are still old enough to remember the wreath cent nonsense.

Picker1954

No

Is this the same guy, new name, that expounded on his 1909-S VDB for what seemed forever?