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GTG... 1877 Indian Cents . 2 different coins... GRADES REVEALED !!!

robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 27, 2022 8:49AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Hello everyone... I just need some quick opinions on these 2 key date Indian cents in terms of the grade, and overall quality. Thanks !!!




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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Both look like authentic business strikes with the shallow N reverse.

    The top coin looks to have AG3 maybe G4 details, the bottom coin looks G6, maybe VG8... I think I see remnants of some letters in LIBERTY...

    Both look like decent coins for a circulated set... tough date to find nice, and heavily counterfeited!

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭✭✭

    G4
    VG8

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭✭✭

    G4
    VG10

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    GD06
    VG08/10

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  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AG3
    G6

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  • OmegaraptorOmegaraptor Posts: 541 ✭✭✭✭✭

    G-6
    VG-10

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with grades, but what is going on under the 2nd coin's ear? Looks like a separation is occurring. Not sure.
    Jim


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  • USMC_6115USMC_6115 Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AG
    G

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    G4, G6

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  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    G4, VG8

  • MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    G4, VG8. I happen to own an example of this coin in NGC holders in those two grades and they compare with yours quite nicely.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm feeling G-4 with an outside shot at 6 and VG-8,

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    G6 vg10

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2022 3:20AM

    The first one is a Good-4, barely.

    The second one should be a Good-6, but as others have posted, it might be a VG in the holder.

    The positive thing about both pieces is that they have good color and surfaces and are not corroded.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would grade them a 4 and a 6.... Authentic... Good album coins. Cheers, RickO

  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like no one got both coins right, some got the second one right.


    The top pic is

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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the ANACS coin better. Why would NGC designate a color on a VG coin? Is there any other color a well circulated bronze cent could be and still straight grade?

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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @relicsncoins said:
    I like the ANACS coin better. Why would NGC designate a color on a VG coin? Is there any other color a well circulated bronze cent could be and still straight grade?

    I agree. I was G-4 and VG-8 on those two

    Tom

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was at 4 and 6. The first coin does not have full rims, which is what I thought was needed for an 8 or even a 6. I was too conservative on the second coin.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm sorry, but I don't see VG8 on the first coin. It lacks a full rim...

    The ANACS piece looks better... IMHO...

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  • OmegaraptorOmegaraptor Posts: 541 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Of course TPGs tend to be lenient on key dates, but 1877 is almost always weakly struck towards 12:00 on the obverse, and the TPGs grade them as such. You can't always rely on LIBERTY on the headband and full rims.

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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It appears that all of us guessed the second one higher than the first, and we all undergraded the first one.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jedm said:
    It appears that all of us guessed the second one higher than the first, and we all undergraded the first one.

    Heaven forbid the 1st one is over graded! :o

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Omegaraptor said:
    Of course TPGs tend to be lenient on key dates, but 1877 is almost always weakly struck towards 12:00 on the obverse, and the TPGs grade them as such. You can't always rely on LIBERTY on the headband and full rims.

    True, but the second specimen at VG8 still has a full inner rim. That's why I initially said G6, but VG8 wouldn't shock me... and it doesn't.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jedm said:
    It appears that all of us guessed the second one higher than the first, and we all undergraded the first one.

    Or NGC over graded the first one.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FWIW, I would have called the first coin G4 and the second VG 8.

  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You would think NGC would grade it conservatively, and ANACS liberally. LOL !!!

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  • OldeTowneCoinShoppeOldeTowneCoinShoppe Posts: 253 ✭✭✭

    The NGC coin looks nominally better than the ANACS coin from those pics.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like no one got both coins right, some got the second one right.

    That depends upon what experienced collectors perceive as "right" for the grade. Just because a TPG puts a grade on something does not make it "right."

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