Tell me why! I don't like toning.. Tell me why! I don't like toning, Tell me why...
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I don't like, I don't like, I don't like toning... 
But many of you do,, why do you like toning on silver coins? Natural, Rainbow, Colorful, Bright, etc... Why do you prefer to add to your collection tone coins? Do you pay a premium?
For me, I like the natural luster of brilliant cartwheel silver, tell me are you for or against toning and why..?
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You lose more potential buyers with toning than with lustrous white coins in my opinion. Possibly one reason could be that the toning is hiding something.
Is it harder for graders to "see" the surfaces objectively with toned coins? I believe so. A heavily toned MS65 coin often raises questions as to whether it is a real gem or how it would grade if dipped? I have had Unc. graded coins go AU when dipped.
This is one reason I like them
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I just found this yesterday in a Coinstar...
You don't like toning because ummm, because some are priced 10X more than a Blast White...........That's Why
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The right kind of toning adds eye appeal. The coins in a set of Morgans ALL BLAST WHITE have a monotonous similarity that can be a turn off.If I was to get out such a set and look at them one by one, things would get old real quick.
@Joe_360 You said you don't like toning, but you clicked like under my Roosie? So do you like it or not I am confused now. LOL
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It’s not a ‘one or the other’ thing for me.
I like coins from both camps- depending…..
I can certainly appreciate a bright white Peace dollar with incredible luster. Partly because this is how the vast majority of them have survived.
A Morgan could be similar, or toned in a variety of ways naturally due to their earlier canvas bag storage.
I appreciate them both. The colors can get into some really cool realms which add a nice spice to the series.
Early CBH’s and dollars seem unnatural to me when blast white. They’re just too old for it to be naturally that clean..
I prefer something to be natural for it’s age. “Original” might apply here.
And with circulated silver coinage, it’s just unnatural for something to be too clean and white- kind of like a 90 year old that’s had poorly done plastic surgery and died hair. It’s just not right.
Everyone is entitled to their preferences, likes and dislikes.
It doesn’t matter why sometimes.
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White coin just don’t looks right after 100,200 or 300 years of time.
1) I like coins and I am glad that you responded to my post, so I hit like. 2) I also wanted to share with you a coin that I found.
I will not be offended by anyone replies, it's just a discussion.. Thanks Joe
I love some toned coins, but will not buy them for the grade, as I am not certain about what is hiding beneath the beauty. It's one thing to buy a coin for its color, but another to buy a toned coin for a high grade. I am not proficient at grading toned coins to waste money(my opinion) on a coin that I am not sure of the grade or even agree with the grade. JMO
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Always nice to find any silver in your change. I only like nicely toned coins. Lots of ugly toners out there.
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This is the reason I like toning.
But I also like white:
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Okay I'll take a stab at why you don't like toning!
A.) You're ricko's Siamese twin conjoined at the brain separated at birth?
B.) You're ricko's ALT keeping him from hitting 100K in posts?
Some of us like blonds. Some like brunettes. Different strokes for different folks.
"I Love Toned Coins!"
Lol. When all is said and done, it's a preference. To each his/her own, right? Just like some people like the wood grain effect on Lincolns. Some don't. Or errors/varieties. The toning brings something original and artistically different to the table. Almost like a fine painting to catch one's eye.
Now, I'm only talking the natural toning.
Us "Toned deaf" collectors. Lol. Really get our eye candy juices flowing when there is a Natural toned "Rainbow Effect" on the coin! What beauty to see nature's magnificent spectrum of dazzling colors on our hobby's main attraction. The Coin!
I'm not even mentioning the financial beneficiaries. Some collectors are willing to spend astronomical prices to add one of these treasures into their inventory.
Believe me, I know! I sold these 4 Silver Eagle delights for over $900+, in which I only paid, overall, $300 for. That's more than a $600 profit.
You have to admit it.
"The Toning Game", isn't going away no time soon!
For collectors like you and our dear friend, RickO. It's all up to you.
It's the famous saying around here.
"Collect what YOU like, not what others like!" Lol. Here is my latest dream Toned specimen. It's what "I" like! And apparently others do as well. I continue to get compliments about my Bugs Bunny!
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I think for many of us who like toned coins it's not that well like ALL toned coins. We like the ones that appeal to us individually. I like untoned coins, too, but certainly NOT all untoned coins.
To me it is simple: buy what you like.
Natural colorful toning on an old silver coin is natures way of imparting its imprint from the array of colors found in rainbows. Its the only way to actually own a rainbow and keep it alive in your coin cabinet for viewing at any time and many years to come....
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Thanks for your reply Joey, and you are correct, it's a preference and to each their own... At the end of the day, we are all on this forum and reading such posts because we love coins!!!
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It's all a personal preference. However if the toning is splotchy, very uneven or has dull spots, it will be a hard sell (or buy) no matter what. There are ugly toned coins and ugly white coins as well - a blast white VF silver coin is ugly to me.
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Reactive metals are inherently unstable and inevitably, sooner or later, react with other elements and chemicals that they are exposed to. Sometimes the reactions impart visible discolorations that can be either attractive or unattractive.
I go to great lengths to try and keep my untoned coins from reacting with things by using desiccants, intercept shield products, etc. and also for my attractively toned coins to prevent them from progressing to a terminal state.
What I don’t like is coins that are repeatedly cleaned in an attempt to keep them from developing toning. It strips off the surface and makes the surface more reactive and ends up ruining the coin
Mr_Spud
For most coin series anyone can have a blast white coin. Finding a nicely toned example is much more difficult.
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When I look at a box of 20 toned Oregons, they are like 20 different coins, each with its own character.
I don't think I would appreciate or want to own the same box if it contained 20 white coins.
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Forgot to mention.
I also love the "White" blasting coins, as well. Love the glimmer from the sheen.
Esp. the RickO, approved.
I have many in my collection.
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I never liked an overly toned coin, it does not look right to me. Lighter toning is ok, fwiw. Happy Easter all 🙂
Good luck finding an Isabella quarter that is not toned....
I have one in grading right now! Couple of small oxidation spots on the reverse but otherwise cartwheel white.
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Let us know when it gets added to the Coinfacts images, as you can see most all are toned:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1893-25c-isabella/images/9220
I have always been a fan of lustrous toned coins and I don’t see that changing . I find them extremely beautiful.
100 years is near the dividing line for me. I can accept a lustrous white Barber or Morgan, but nothing earlier.
I've seen that. The toners are beautiful but if everything is toned then blast white becomes special instead of the inverse.
I absolutely will share; I think/hope I have a few special coins in there so will make a lengthy post once trueviews are available but given current circumstances and that it was just received yesterday I wouldn't hold your breath...
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I also had no desire to own toned coins.
“Toning may cover potential problems” was also one reason for my avoidance. Discovering “nicely toned” coins commanded premiums, sometimes very hefty, seemingly unreasonable premiums, was also a major contributing factor to my thinking.
Admittedly, I did not ”get” the reasons strong premiums were paid for beautifully toned coins.
in time, the first toned coins that gave me pleasure to own were rim toned.
I enjoyed the colors framing a mostly white coin, and the infinite variety of looks rim toned coins offered.
Rim toned coins eventually felt safe to collect. They had, in general, only modest premiums, and, after some time, I fell in love with beautifully rim toned coins.
However, now as I look back, rim toned coins only served as a stepping stone to beautiful, fully toned coins, for which I have now acquired a deep, passionate appreciation.
@RegistryCoin Wow those are some beauties.
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You're mixing arguments here. A heavily toned coin might not be all that appealing, and especially if the lustre is muted, the grade may suffer as a result. Plenty of toned coins--the ones that get the highest premiums--have bright colors and the surfaces remain visible, which also means lustre is preserved. I'll grant that some series--somewhat deeply toned mint set Franklins come to mind--can have toned coins looking cleaner, but even then, to a degree, the surfaces are what the surfaces are. Toned and a mark is masked? It's not a significant detraction. Dip the coin and now the mark is super prominent? It will factor more in the grade. That's no different than a mark in the hair of a Morgan counting for much less than that same mark on the cheek. In one place it blends in with the design, and in another it sticks out like a sore thumb.
Everything has to be considered to make a fair comparison, as there are plenty of gorgeous untoned and toned coins, and plenty of ugly ones, too. When you dipped the coin, you stripped its surfaces and could very well have changed its lustre. Dipping a toned coin doesn't necessarily make it an otherwise identical untoned version, and if a coin is already on the borderline, introducing such a change can push it over the edge.
That’s hilarious😂
Where is @ricko on this topic?
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it is like a black and white drawing versus a colorful painting, it is more interesting starting with the same drawing but using different color palates to make similar but unique paintings.
Because it's different from most of the normal white coins,
and people like to search for things that are different than the norm.
The real question is whether it is more beautiful, and that is a personal value judgement.
I feel if you want something with beautiful colors, look outside of coins, as there are a lot more choices.
I like blast white coins. I also like SOME toned coins. If the toning is dark or blotchy, I'll pass on them. Different strokes for different folks.
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I do not like tarnish in general. Old coins with the circam look are fine, or those with some handling grunge in the devices. Even with tarnish, I can appreciate a coin with good detail and lack of dings, hits, scrapes or scratches. Colorized coins are available from the mint. Tarnish with color has caught the attention of a collector segment. Fine, for them. The market is such that they are being 'produced' and garnishing - in many cases - obscene premiums. I will continue to collect my preference - mint issue appearance, or close to it. I do not sell coins, therefore there is no monetary temptation for me. Those that claim they like originality of coins, and then seek tarnished coins, demonstrate a conflicting interest. Tarnish is not original, it is environmental damage to the original surface. Cheers, RickO
Your not alone. Toning is a polite word for tarnish. It is evidence of the coin surface reaction with the atmosphere which will get worse with time.
Like you I like brilliant blazing coins with super luster.