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Amazon adds 5% fuel and inflation fee...will eBay do something similar?

U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

Did anyone see the news that Amazon is adding a 5% fuel and inflation fee for sellers that use their shipping services?
Anyone see eBay finding a way to have an inflation fee increase for sellers?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-13/amazon-adds-5-fuel-and-inflation-surcharge-for-online-sellers

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My eBay buying and selling has gone to almiost 0
    I just look there and then find the dealer elsewhere.....................

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:
    eBay doesn't have a shipping service.

    It has the global shipping program. But they might just increase those rates on the international buyers.

    Regardless, an inflation fee is very possible-especially with Amazon opening the door.

  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Shipping costs in general are getting ridiculous.

    USPS looks better every day.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:

    @MasonG said:
    eBay doesn't have a shipping service.

    It has the global shipping program. But they might just increase those rates on the international buyers.

    Yes, you're right. I could see possible increases there.

    @U1chicago said:
    Regardless, an inflation fee is very possible-especially with Amazon opening the door.

    Aside from international shipping, an inflation fee for what?

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @U1chicago said:

    @MasonG said:
    eBay doesn't have a shipping service.

    It has the global shipping program. But they might just increase those rates on the international buyers.

    Yes, you're right. I could see possible increases there.

    @U1chicago said:
    Regardless, an inflation fee is very possible-especially with Amazon opening the door.

    Aside from international shipping, an inflation fee for what?

    An inflation fee for helping the bottom line as costs increase for their employees and day to day operations.

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom said:
    Shipping costs in general are getting ridiculous.

    USPS looks better every day.

    A small fold up Priority box cost me 10 bucks to ship last week.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:

    @MasonG said:

    @U1chicago said:

    @MasonG said:
    eBay doesn't have a shipping service.

    It has the global shipping program. But they might just increase those rates on the international buyers.

    Yes, you're right. I could see possible increases there.

    @U1chicago said:
    Regardless, an inflation fee is very possible-especially with Amazon opening the door.

    Aside from international shipping, an inflation fee for what?

    An inflation fee for helping the bottom line as costs increase for their employees and day to day operations.

    I thought about that after posting my previous comment. I suppose it's possible- gas has more than doubled in price in the last 15 months, eBay fees haven't done anything like that.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't use Amazon. I hope it isn't permanent thou for all sake though

  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,077 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I feel lucky. I just ordered 10 laser printer cartridges for my HP printer at a very good price plus got them with no shipping fee.

    Might be time to stockpile more forever stamps?

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  • 1960NYGiants1960NYGiants Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭✭
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Prices on everything are rising quickly. This is an economic disaster, and recession is likely to follow. Cheers, RickO

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you need to raise prices, raise prices. Surcharges & extra “energy” fees smell too much like money-grubbing and taxes to me.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I already finding myself carefully considering any purchase. Do I really need this item? The answer is increasingly ... no.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:

    @MasonG said:
    eBay doesn't have a shipping service.

    It has the global shipping program. But they might just increase those rates on the international buyers.

    Regardless, an inflation fee is very possible-especially with Amazon opening the door.

    But they use other shippers. DHL might do it, or USPS.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    33

    Number of posts before this thread becomes political

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,139 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bolivarshagnasty said:

    @fathom said:
    Shipping costs in general are getting ridiculous.

    USPS looks better every day.

    A small fold up Priority box cost me 10 bucks to ship last week.

    Isn't flat rate sill about $7.75?

    theknowitalltroll;
  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM said:
    If you need to raise prices, raise prices. Surcharges & extra “energy” fees smell too much like money-grubbing and taxes to me.

    There is a restaurant near me that posted a sign that they are adding these surcharges to bills unless you opt out: 5% for the kitchen staff to help make their salaries more equitable with the servers, and 2.5% for employees benefits.

    That's an extra 7.5% added to the bill so the customers can pay for things the restaurant should be paying for itself. :|

    And their menu prices are not cheap as it is.

    Needless to say I've never been there.

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Prices on everything are rising quickly. This is an economic disaster, and recession is likely to follow. Cheers, RickO

    This country survived the late 70's and early 80's, got a feeling we'll be fine.

    "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We will persevere, there will be some tough situations ahead for sure. However, tighten the purse strings, look for opportunities (they are always there), and keep a positive outlook. Better times will come. Cheers, RickO

  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭✭✭

    shopped at** Costco** lately?
    NO surcharges..just increased prices... some by 40%
    covers everything I guess.. for times to come.

    Today is the first day of the rest of my life
  • djmdjm Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:
    Did anyone see the news that Amazon is adding a 5% fuel and inflation fee for sellers that use their shipping services?
    Anyone see eBay finding a way to have an inflation fee increase for sellers?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-13/amazon-adds-5-fuel-and-inflation-surcharge-for-online-sellers

    What do you mean just? The fuel adjustment surcharge has been the law in this country since 1974. Amazon and other companies are starting to apply the surcharge again.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alpha33 said:
    I buy NOTHING from anyone that doesn't offer FREE postage.

    Nobody can ship for free. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,139 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    shopped at** Costco** lately?
    NO surcharges..just increased prices... some by 40%
    covers everything I guess.. for times to come.

    Same for Sam's Club.

    They're quickly losing any price advantage that they have/had.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,139 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Be a good time for refinery workers to go on strike.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alpha33 said:

    @ricko said:
    Prices on everything are rising quickly. This is an economic disaster, and recession is likely to follow. Cheers, RickO

    Can't imagine the reason for that?

    @alaura22 said:
    My eBay buying and selling has gone to almiost 0
    I just look there and then find the dealer elsewhere.....................

    I buy NOTHING from anyone that doesn't offer FREE postage.

    I offer FREE postage....I just add the price of the postage to the sale price, as does everyone else who offers you "FREE" postage.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DelawareDoons said:

    @ricko said:
    Prices on everything are rising quickly. This is an economic disaster, and recession is likely to follow. Cheers, RickO

    This country survived the late 70's and early 80's, got a feeling we'll be fine.

    The Roman Empire said the same thing...right up until the barbarians were inside the gates.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I offer FREE postage....I just add the price of the postage to the sale price, as does everyone else who offers you "FREE" postage.

    And instead of one shipping charge that you can see for three items, there's three shipping charges you can't see for three items.

    But... FREE SHIPPING!!! ;)

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I offer FREE postage....I just add the price of the postage to the sale price, as does everyone else who offers you "FREE" postage.

    And instead of one shipping charge that you can see for three items, there's three shipping charges you can't see for three items.

    But... FREE SHIPPING!!! ;)

    Yes, free shipping is great until you buy multiple items. You can't combine "free" for a discount.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I offer FREE postage....I just add the price of the postage to the sale price, as does everyone else who offers you "FREE" postage.

    And instead of one shipping charge that you can see for three items, there's three shipping charges you can't see for three items.

    But... FREE SHIPPING!!! ;)

    Yup. I sold 20 covers to a guy last week. I hid $1 shipping on each. So, he thinks he got free shipping but actually paid $20. Still only cost me $1 to ship.

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 14, 2022 11:56AM

    I just passed on a coin. The coin was fairly priced so I put it in the cart, went to check out, and, $10.95 for shipping, a $140.00 coin
    I shut it down
    Edited to add:
    If he would have set the coin price at $150 I wouldn't have looked at it, Just me!

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:
    I just passed on a coin. The coin was fairly priced so I put it in the cart, went to check out, and, $10.95 for shipping, a $140.00 coin
    I shut it down

    Contact the seller- many have a B&M and would be happy to eliminate the shipping charge if you pick it up in person.

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 14, 2022 12:10PM

    @MasonG said:

    @alaura22 said:
    I just passed on a coin. The coin was fairly priced so I put it in the cart, went to check out, and, $10.95 for shipping, a $140.00 coin
    I shut it down

    Contact the seller- many have a B&M and would be happy to eliminate the shipping charge if you pick it up in person.

    Too far away for that
    The point is, they suck you in with a fair price for the coin and then nickel and dime you in the end
    I have another dealer that has great coins, you put the coin in the basket and wait for him to contact you. After he contacts you and says that the coin is available he then adds 3% for CC and outragious shipping. What once was a fair price is no longer a fair price!
    I just don't like the way they do business.

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @djm said:

    @U1chicago said:
    Did anyone see the news that Amazon is adding a 5% fuel and inflation fee for sellers that use their shipping services?
    Anyone see eBay finding a way to have an inflation fee increase for sellers?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-13/amazon-adds-5-fuel-and-inflation-surcharge-for-online-sellers

    What do you mean just? The fuel adjustment surcharge has been the law in this country since 1974. Amazon and other companies are starting to apply the surcharge again.

    I didn’t use the word “just” anywhere

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:
    The point is, they suck you in with a fair price for the coin and then nickel and dime you in the end

    Insured ($140) first class package rate is $8.55.
    Insured ($140) priority flat rate is $13.30.

    Quoted price for shipping: $10.95.

    At priority rate, you're getting a $2+ break, for first class, it's $2+ extra. $2.50 on a $140 sale is less than 2%- doesn't quite reach the level of nickel and diming, but that's just me.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM said:
    If you need to raise prices, raise prices. Surcharges & extra “energy” fees smell too much like money-grubbing and taxes to me.

    I have to disagree. That is very common in the trucking industry. This way the price increase is only temporary. Would you rather it be permanent?

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @alaura22 said:
    The point is, they suck you in with a fair price for the coin and then nickel and dime you in the end

    Insured ($140) first class package rate is $8.55.
    Insured ($140) priority flat rate is $13.30.

    Quoted price for shipping: $10.95.

    At priority rate, you're getting a $2+ break, for first class, it's $2+ extra. $2.50 on a $140 sale is less than 2%- doesn't quite reach the level of nickel and diming, but that's just me.

    All valid points on the shipping costs, however, the dealer doesn't say how he is shipping the coin, just that shipping is $10.95.
    I would just rather do business with dealers that offer free shipping and no hidden fee's. The price of the coin is what you pay, I get it that all the fee's would be included in the price but at least then you know if it's a good price for the coin.
    Shipping has always been a problem, some companies charge outrageous prices and others are very good. One auction house (I'll not mention there name) charges outrageous shipping and I'm forced to put shipping on my purchases on hold this way I can get a break on the shipping charges. That means waiting for another auction and winning another coin so I can reduce the shipping, and combine the shipping. It's just a way to defray the costs of the coins
    It's up to the buyer to decide weather it's fair.
    I guess I'm looking for "transparency" !

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:
    All valid points on the shipping costs, however, the dealer doesn't say how he is shipping the coin, just that shipping is $10.95.

    Ignoring more expensive services, Priority and First Class are the options available at the post office. Coin dealers don't get a special price- they pay the same as everybody else.

    @alaura22 said:
    I guess I'm looking for "transparency" !

    I don't know how disclosing how much you're charging for shipping is anything but transparent.

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 14, 2022 2:02PM

    @MasonG said:

    @alaura22 said:
    All valid points on the shipping costs, however, the dealer doesn't say how he is shipping the coin, just that shipping is $10.95.

    Ignoring more expensive services, Priority and First Class are the options available at the post office. Coin dealers don't get a special price- they pay the same as everybody else.

    @alaura22 said:
    I guess I'm looking for "transparency" !

    I don't know how disclosing how much you're charging for shipping is anything but transparent.

    Did you play twister when you were a kid? Or still do :)
    You can twist this around to suit your needs, I'm saying it took me to add the coin in the basket, THEN, find out the shipping charge. This is not transparent.
    I'm done, lets move on..................

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:
    I'm saying it took me to add the coin in the basket, THEN, find out the shipping charge. This is not transparent.

    ??? That's how shopping carts work. You can't calculate a shipping charge until you know what you're shipping.

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @alaura22 said:
    I'm saying it took me to add the coin in the basket, THEN, find out the shipping charge. This is not transparent.

    ??? That's how shopping carts work. You can't calculate a shipping charge until you know what you're shipping.

    I said I was done but felt compelled to add this:
    One example of what I'm talking about would be "Buy it Now" on the bay. It has the price of the coin, the shipping (If any) stated and no other fee's for the way you decide to pay. That to me is "transparent"
    Done again :)

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:

    @MasonG said:

    @alaura22 said:
    I'm saying it took me to add the coin in the basket, THEN, find out the shipping charge. This is not transparent.

    ??? That's how shopping carts work. You can't calculate a shipping charge until you know what you're shipping.

    I said I was done but felt compelled to add this:
    One example of what I'm talking about would be "Buy it Now" on the bay. It has the price of the coin, the shipping (If any) stated and no other fee's for the way you decide to pay. That to me is "transparent"
    Done again :)

    Don't forget the sales tax. You have to go through most of the checkout process on eBay before you see the final total amount although it's easy enough to calculate for most people.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:
    One example of what I'm talking about would be "Buy it Now" on the bay. It has the price of the coin, the shipping (If any) stated and no other fee's for the way you decide to pay. That to me is "transparent"

    That works if someone is only buying one coin. What if you're buying more than one? Some people do that, you know. :)

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:

    @BryceM said:
    If you need to raise prices, raise prices. Surcharges & extra “energy” fees smell too much like money-grubbing and taxes to me.

    I have to disagree. That is very common in the trucking industry. This way the price increase is only temporary. Would you rather it be permanent?

    I disagree to your disagree. ;) It's stupid in the trucking industry too. Carry this to its logical conclusion........ If rubber prices go up, are we going to get a tire surcharge? A windshield glass surcharge? Spare parts surcharge? Liability insurance surcharge? Labor surcharge?

    The various bits and bobs that are required to run any business go up and down in price all the time. Yet, somehow the market adjusts. That's what free markets do. If profit margins go down, you can either lower expenses or raise prices (or go out of business). If profit margins are huge, you will soon have additional competition..... so you better not raise prices too much. This is the genius of a free-market system. There is no guarantee that a "surcharge" is only temporary and there's absolutely no reason to think prices can't fall any differently than they can go up.

    Price any 60" televisions lately? They're getting cheaper all the time. In inflation-adjusted dollars, the price of gasoline to drive one mile was 30 cents in 1980, 23 cents in 2012, and around 17 cents today. Cars are more efficient, yes, but the average worker in 1980 worked 11 minutes to earn enough to buy a gallon of gas ($1.25/gallon @ $6.75/hour). Today, the average worker works 9 minutes to buy a gallon of gas ($4.17/gallon @ $26.94/hr).

    Fuel costs and inflation are continuously variable costs of doing business. Always have been. Businesses can figure it out.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well...OK then. The last time there was a major surcharge was 10 or 15 years ago when diesel hit $5 a gallon or somewhere there abouts. How would you have liked you merchandise costs with those fuel costs figured in for the last decade +? You don't seem to understand the effects of high fuel costs on the bottom line of certain things. That is major! I owned an 18 wheeler and can tell you if there was no fuel surcharge or major increase in freight rates freight would have stopped. I know my truck would not have rolled!

    @BryceM said:

    @amwldcoin said:

    @BryceM said:
    If you need to raise prices, raise prices. Surcharges & extra “energy” fees smell too much like money-grubbing and taxes to me.

    I have to disagree. That is very common in the trucking industry. This way the price increase is only temporary. Would you rather it be permanent?

    I disagree to your disagree. ;) It's stupid in the trucking industry too. Carry this to its logical conclusion........ If rubber prices go up, are we going to get a tire surcharge? A windshield glass surcharge? Spare parts surcharge? Liability insurance surcharge? Labor surcharge?

    The various bits and bobs that are required to run any business go up and down in price all the time. Yet, somehow the market adjusts. That's what free markets do. If profit margins go down, you can either lower expenses or raise prices (or go out of business). If profit margins are huge, you will soon have additional competition..... so you better not raise prices too much. This is the genius of a free-market system. There is no guarantee that a "surcharge" is only temporary and there's absolutely no reason to think prices can't fall any differently than they can go up.

    Price any 60" televisions lately? They're getting cheaper all the time. In inflation-adjusted dollars, the price of gasoline to drive one mile was 30 cents in 1980, 23 cents in 2012, and around 17 cents today. Cars are more efficient, yes, but the average worker in 1980 worked 11 minutes to earn enough to buy a gallon of gas ($1.25/gallon @ $6.75/hour). Today, the average worker works 9 minutes to buy a gallon of gas ($4.17/gallon @ $26.94/hr).

    Fuel costs and inflation are continuously variable costs of doing business. Always have been. Businesses can figure it out.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm working under the assumption that I understand fuel costs just fine. You are working under the assumption that trucking companies can't figure out any other way to raise their prices to account for rising business expenses. Perhaps we're both right.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think you realize how high a percentage the cost of fuel is in operating a big rig. You can't imagine how much taxes people are paying due to the amount of taxes on the trucking industry that are passed along to the consumer!

    @BryceM said:
    I'm working under the assumption that I understand fuel costs just fine. You are working under the assumption that trucking companies can't figure out any other way to raise their prices to account for rising business expenses. Perhaps we're both right.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    I don't think you realize how high a percentage the cost of fuel is in operating a big rig. You can't imagine how much taxes people are paying due to the amount of taxes on the trucking industry that are passed along to the consumer!

    @BryceM said:
    I'm working under the assumption that I understand fuel costs just fine. You are working under the assumption that trucking companies can't figure out any other way to raise their prices to account for rising business expenses. Perhaps we're both right.

    Honestly, what difference did it make what you call it? Add a 10% surcharge or raise the price 10%, you still end up paying/charging the same

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