I am a copper specialist and the fact that most images are shown on line can be deceptive .The lighting can be very deceptive and so can lot viewing. I recently looked at an upcoming auction
Of Lincoln cents . Three coins I looked at were the 1909 in ms 67+ CAC, 1914D ms 65red and the 1920s ms 65 red. The 1909 looked the same in the holder and out of the holder . However both the 1914D and the 1920 s both looked like ms66 red
Out of the holder and ms 64-65 bn in the holder.
This is why auction companies need to get rid of this deceptive ambiguity and misrepresentation.