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PCGS, why not put the grade on the Tru View?

JmisJmis Posts: 112 ✭✭✭

Just curious why they don’t put the grade on the Tru View photo. I hate seeing a TV posted and not know what the coin grades. Would be nice rather than having to looking it up.

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  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    @Jmis said:
    Just curious why they don’t put the grade on the Tru View photo. I hate seeing a TV posted and not know what the coin grades. Would be nice rather than having to looking it up.

    I have always wondered this as well. I think that the solution is to have PCGS add the grade and related details on the TV, but provide the submitter with a clean TV (no extra info). So two TVs: one with and one without.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Personally, I like it. It keeps my mind off of being super critical of the grade and allows me to be able to enjoy the coin based off of its merits and shortcomings on how I perceive them. So instead of jumping to “this is over/undergraded” I can look at and enjoy the coin without any thought to grade.

    It’s also how I teach myself to grade on CoinFacts, I can click on the image and then view the grade after. It also helps with guess the grades.

    Obviously, this is no help if you are trying to compare a coin in hand to graded coins for comparison, where you would want the grade on the TrueView.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @numisma said:

    @Jmis said:
    Just curious why they don’t put the grade on the Tru View photo. I hate seeing a TV posted and not know what the coin grades. Would be nice rather than having to looking it up.

    I have always wondered this as well. I think that the solution is to have PCGS add the grade and related details on the TV, but provide the submitter with a clean TV (no extra info). So two TVs: one with and one without.

    Sounds like a lot of extra work to arrive at the same place, if the submitter uses the "clean" version then everyone is still left in the dark on the grade.

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, it would be very helpful. While I like to believe it is truly artistic altruism that drives its absence, I cannot help but think the primary driver is to generate web traffic.

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  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @numisma said:

    @Jmis said:
    Just curious why they don’t put the grade on the Tru View photo. I hate seeing a TV posted and not know what the coin grades. Would be nice rather than having to looking it up.

    I have always wondered this as well. I think that the solution is to have PCGS add the grade and related details on the TV, but provide the submitter with a clean TV (no extra info). So two TVs: one with and one without.

    Sounds like a lot of extra work to arrive at the same place, if the submitter uses the "clean" version then everyone is still left in the dark on the grade.

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    Not really much extra work. PCGS offers various options already. It could be something like this:

    Of course each customer could always just add the grade to the TV photos with photoshop or similar. I have done that in the past.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would still have to look up the cert# to verify it’s authenticity, value and population, so showing the grade on the TV would not help me.
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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess on some TVs it would show how much the pictures are enhanced to make the coin look better than it does in hand - I could just hear all the: "That looks way better than a 65", "That has to be at least a 67+", "That coin is undergraded", ............

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  • AlexinPAAlexinPA Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Personally, either way is fine with me. I like to look at the pics.

  • retirednowretirednow Posts: 391 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Clean and simple is good in my mind - and not sure why I would want the extra clutter ... when one uses the registry all the information requested is displayed as part of the gallery view (it is just not on the photo).

    If you like to use the photos outside of the registry ( as I have done with making photo books or to load them into the NGC registry ) I download and 2 separate obverse and reverse images and then display them with other information in my own format.

    I kind of like the NGC simple presentation as well ( one must pay extra ) ... so I like what PCGS does with the TV service included in their fee.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 31,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Would XF Details fit and be readable?

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ^
    I wouldn't even state "Submission Number" on that photo.
    I also think both NGC and PCGS should stick with a single FONT.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭✭✭

    grades are 'fluid' - how else could you explain a MS66 dime going to MS67FB in less than a year?

    many coins have been 'resubmitted' and have gotten a '+' or a point, as well as occasional downgrade ...

    it would not be good having old TruViews around

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @numisma said:

    @Jmis said:
    Just curious why they don’t put the grade on the Tru View photo. I hate seeing a TV posted and not know what the coin grades. Would be nice rather than having to looking it up.

    I have always wondered this as well. I think that the solution is to have PCGS add the grade and related details on the TV, but provide the submitter with a clean TV (no extra info). So two TVs: one with and one without.

    Sounds like a lot of extra work to arrive at the same place, if the submitter uses the "clean" version then everyone is still left in the dark on the grade.

    These already exist.

    https://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/44959130_large.jpg

    http://images.pcgs.com/coinfacts/44959130_large.jpg

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    that is weird. i thought that link format had been nerfed. when i try to put other certs there, it is a no-go.
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    @numisma
    thanks for reminding me about those options and that we probably need to be logged into our account to find them?

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jmis said:
    Just curious why they don’t put the grade on the Tru View photo. I hate seeing a TV posted and not know what the coin grades. Would be nice rather than having to looking it up.

    I'm glad someone finally asked this question. I've been wondering the same thing. :)

  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well from my past marketing director type roles... I'd say it's a pretty intelligent way to generate both traffic and interest in the brand and coins... personally I'd add a link to smartly chosen (more) information from the images and or a small line of info below the fold (to keep the nice clean image page look).

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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can never grade a coin from a Truview picture.

    However, I've made a ton of money grading a coin from a picture on Ebay.

    Why is that?

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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hbarbee said:
    davewesen gave the correct answer above.

    The TrueView image is constant. The grade is not.

    Bingo.

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  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    @hbarbee said:
    davewesen gave the correct answer above.

    The TrueView image is constant. The grade is not.

    Interesting point made by @davewesen and that makes sense! I could subscribe to that logic.

    However, when a coin is resubmitted, it would generate a new Trueview, depending on the tier. The latest state of the coin would have the grade on the TV. Although PCGS probably would not want to have three different TVs of the same coin with three different grades floating around in cyberspace. Would not look good.

    I also give @Kurisu points for the marketing angle. I was thinking something similar as well. The more unique hits to a website, the higher the internet traffic, and the more Google rewards that site with organic positioning.

  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2022 6:33PM

    @numisma said:

    @hbarbee said:
    davewesen gave the correct answer above.

    The TrueView image is constant. The grade is not.

    Interesting point made by @davewesen and that makes sense! I could subscribe to that logic.

    However, when a coin is resubmitted, it would generate a new Trueview, depending on the tier. The latest state of the coin would have the grade on the TV. Although PCGS probably would not want to have three different TVs of the same coin with three different grades floating around in cyberspace. Would not look good.

    I also give @Kurisu points for the marketing angle. I was thinking something similar as well. The more unique hits to a website, the higher the internet traffic, and the more Google rewards that site with organic positioning.

    Thank you so much.
    That more "smartly" chosen information...I was thinking like a coin facts page or to the price guide for the coin or to a simple elegant page that contains links to great information about the coin and otherwise. That way the current grade of that coin won't matter.

    Maybe clicking on the cert number at the bottom of the page or something takes you directly to the same page that www.pcgs.com/cert search would take you to?

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 23, 2022 1:32AM

    @retirednow said:
    I kind of like the NGC simple presentation as well ( one must pay extra ) ... so I like what PCGS does with the TV service included in their fee.

    This was a good look, clean and classy. I like it better than the current gray background.

  • vulcanizevulcanize Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why over complicate it? Looks better without all the clutter.
    Plus with huge jumps in technology in the past decade or so where one can access info in their palm through a phone or any such similar device, just plug in the certificate number at https://www.pcgs.com/cert/ or https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/ and voila, plethora of resources is available.
    This is a very important area where ICG and Anacs really fell behind (of course, their other issues not withstanding).
    Just my two cents as always. :smile:

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I find the current method, without the grade, to be perfectly acceptable. I just look it up if I feel the need to affirm the grade. The TruView is intended to capture the quality of the coin in the best manner. Further information is available a couple of clicks away. I guess for some of us, instant gratification is not soon enough. ;):D Cheers, RickO

  • FrankHFrankH Posts: 703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms70 said:

    @hbarbee said:
    davewesen gave the correct answer above.

    The TrueView image is constant. The grade is not.

    Bingo.

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why not? Inconsistent grading? Prices fluctuate, as do populations, popularity etc. Maybe too much emphasis in the marketplace on numerical grades. '24s Peace is $7000 in 65+ and $60,000 in 66. Huh? too bubbly.

    The photos are excellent quality and well done aesthetically. Show the label. A great educational tool for the newer collector.

    Everyone knows or should know a grade is an opinion. Worth serious consideration.

  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭

    Personally, I am thankful that the grade is not depicted on the true view.

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,302 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 23, 2022 12:26PM

    @baseballjeff said:
    Personally, I am thankful that the grade is not depicted on the true view.

    It's a good market ploy to get people to explore their website. People are just lazy. The next thing someone will grip about, put the pop numbers and value on there as well. lol

    Let me add, the very first thing that pops up on their website is the box to enter the number....why do you think that is?

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