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1866 3CN with die breaks and die chips

sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭
edited March 17, 2022 9:56PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Found this one while looking for clashed dies on three cent nickels online. Could not resist when I saw all the effects of a deteriorating die had on the coin. Presently in a PCGS AU58 slab (no attribution). The site said it was a TCNC-1866-8R.


Special thanks to @yosclimber for sharing images of the 1866 that lead me to this coin.


  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not seeing a cud. Am seeing a die chip ontop the first column. Clashed and worn dies.

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2022 8:23PM

    @Steven59 said:
    Not seeing a cud. Am seeing a die chip ontop the first column. Clashed and worn dies.

    Yes, I was using a somewhat loose definition for a cud.
    It's at least a pretty big chip.
    Both dies are also cracked.
    Here's the prior thread where I called it a cud:

    Is there a terminology you prefer for chips on the rim?
    I have been calling them "rim cuds", but I suppose "rim chips" is better.
    They do occur on the perimeter of the die, but usually not in conjunction with a die crack,
    which is likely the strict definition of a cud that you have in mind.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:

    not enough pigeons have roosted atop the glyph. once there is enough guano, then it becomes an internal cud guano. for now, just chip guano. anyone have chips for the dip?

    i think i use rim chips/cud a bit too loosely.

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  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭

    I had assumed the die break starting at 1 on the reverse then traveling through the leaves and exiting back to the rim at 3 would qualify as a retained cud. Also, some of the die fell away there as the crack continued to travel down the wreath to the bow where it exits to the rim again at 6. I have updated the title to reflect die chips instead of cuds

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2022 11:06PM

    (photo by ebay seller theconsignmenthub)
    Here's a later die state, where the reverse chipping has extended to the upper left side of the left column.
    The crack from K3 goes along the leaves partway to the K1 crack, but I don't think they join.
    It's hard to say for sure, as the die seems fairly worn.
    The crack definitely goes down in the leaves towards the K5 crack as well.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Major reverse die cracks traveling all through the wreath leaves. I magnified the image and can easily trace the cracks. Cool coin... Cheers, RickO

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I only have a few 3CN's.
    One is in a Pcgs slab, and the others are raw.
    Will have to take a close look at them.

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