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Your thoughts on these 1964 Proofs.

SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 11,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

Headed soon to our host for grading and Trueview photos.

Both have a unusual look, especially under optimal lighting.

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  • MartinMartin Posts: 749 ✭✭✭✭

    I know you know what you are doing. I guess I don’t see what you are seeing? I see frosty especially the nickel. The half has lots of spots and the reverse doesn’t look cam enough for me. You got me stumped.

    BTW. Your countertop is getting famous
    Keep up your show and tells

    Martin

  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    Both are beautiful examples. They have that "just cut out of cellophane" look, with the obligatory haze. Under that film you will likely find mirrored fields contrasting against subtle cameo devices. PCGS prefers originality (rightly so), and you may be rewarded on the numerical grade, with a possible CAM designation on the Jefferson.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 11,381 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 16, 2022 9:24PM

    The nickel has devices that have DCAM+ level frost, while the fields are at best semi mirrored. Those attributes plus a golden color makes this coin very eye appealing.

    The half dollar has frosted devices and mirrored fields on both sides of the coin. In addition to those attributes the coin is covered with a haze that is uniform and that has a pearlescent white sheen. The haze accentuates the frosted devices and mutes the mirrored fields.

    In hand under good lighting both coins draw the eye and are very attractive.

    They are definitely different from the blast white Cameo proof examples of these coins.

  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    ...has a pearlescent white sheen. The haze accentuates the frosted devices and mutes the mirrored fields.

    In hand under good lighting both coins draw the eye and are very attractive.

    They are definitely different from the blast white Cameo proof examples of these coins.

    I know exactly what you mean regarding "attractive in hand." Makes sense why you want the Trueview photos! These are different in a good way. Would love to know the grading results.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coins, dude!
    Yeah, I'm in the Kennedy "No Cameo" group. Sorry. The Jefferson looks ALL GOOD to go. Amazing frost. You know, just a suggestion. You could try to dip the Kennedy with EZest? I do frequently with my coins before sending in and so far 100% straight grades. Just my opinion, buddy. Good Luck in whatever you decide.
    ;)
    Beautiful '64 Proofs.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coins... I think the Jefferson will CAM... Look forward to the results. Cheers, RickO

  • MartinMartin Posts: 749 ✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII are you going to give them a bath? I would like to see how the half turns out if you do. I’m thinking it could surprise me.

    Martin

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 11,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Martin.

    No bath for either coin.

    Both coins are, to me, very eye appealing as they are.

    If the coins were dipped they would lose what makes them stand out. They would become one of many blast white 1964 proof coins.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think based in your post you know what is goin on here as well :smile:

    Half: Haze, but nice contrast. I think it may CAM. It almost looks like the evolution of the blue haze you sometimes see on AH halves.

    Nickel: Gorgeous frost, the mint seems to have neglected to polish the mirrors as much on this die pair. CAM for sure, DCAM seems to be a long shot with those mirrors, however.

  • Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2022 11:38AM

    While we are at it - the quarter is actually tougher imo

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the first pictures, the nickel looks to be outstanding, but I'm only semi-impressed with the half dollar. The fields on it are cloudy. That might dip off, but it's not the kind of "pristine Proof"' that I would buy from this era.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 11,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Both coins, as they current are, are outliers that would be of interest to those who find the "norm" (untoned proofs that may possibly warrant a CAM designation) to be boring.

    For the nickel, due to the semi mirrored fields (which actually exhibits a mirrored appearance only under optimal lighting), I doubt that the coin would receive a CAM designation. The DCAM+ frost on the devices would not alone support a CAM designation.

    For the half dollar, the appearance of the obverse under optimal lighting is very appealing (I think due to the enhanced frosty appearance of the bust of JFK due to the haze and due to the pearlescent white appearance of the mirrored fields). The appearance of the reverse under optimal lighting is either neutral or even negative due to the smaller size of the central devices and the blotchiness of the haze.

    Thanks for your replies and comments everyone.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2022 1:22PM

    I paid $100 for this some years ago. It suits me and did not break the bank. It's in a "CAM" holder. I forget the grading number NGC put on it.


    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?

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