1889- CC Morgan Grade

ilmcoins

What do you all think about this one?

DollarAfterDollar

In the absence of a full rim you're looking at AG.

No Headlights

Possible counterfeit. The mintmark looks wrong to me. But I'm certainly not a Morgan expert. Others with more expertise on the series should be more help.
Best wishes.

david3142

@No Headlights said:
Possible counterfeit. The mintmark looks wrong to me. But I'm certainly not a Morgan expert. Others with more expertise on the series should be more help.
Best wishes.

The mintmark looks wrong so I believe it’s a counterfeit. The Cs are too thick and I don’t see any genuine examples where the letters are touching the wreath, even in grades as low as FR2. It could be an added mintmark as the other details look ok but the wear pattern is off too. From a details standpoint it’d be VG with unusually worn rims. Not that I think it matters in this case.

MFeld

The coin looks like a G6 at a minimum, to me.

AUandAG

I say it is real. Staining on the obverse might give it a details grade. Mint marks are fine and show extra thickness when worn down so to these lower grades. Nice album filler if cheap enough.
bob

LeeBone

The mintmark is wrong so I believe it’s a counterfeit. The Cs look too thick and I don’t see any genuine examples where the letters are touching the wreath. It could be an added mintmark as the other details look ok but the wear pattern seems off to me. From a details standpoint it’d be VG with unusually worn rims. Not that it matters in this case.

^^This^^

Rampage

Looks like a G6 to me, too. Also, it appears to be genuine.

ilmcoins

I am confident it is not counterfeit. I was just on the fence between 4 and 6.

RonB

Looks ok from here, as mentioned the MM tends to spread out with wear.. This one is close to VG8, quite a bit of detail left in the hair/bangs and wing feathers. JMHO, -Ron.

Edited to add: Wouldn't hurt to send it in, not many of those around.

89cc vams..

RonB

Here's one of mine our hosts graded VG10..

Coin Finder

Cleaned! Net good

dcarr

Genuine, VAM-3.
VG details, but weak rims.
So net G06.

VanHalen

I'd go VG8 on a good day. But it's really a 7.

ricko

Looks like a 6 to me. The schmutz between the second C and the wreath makes it look closer than it really is. Genuine IMO.... Cheers, RickO

291fifth

G4. The rims are too weak to justify a higher grade.

coastaljerseyguy

Cleaned retoned G4.

MFeld

@291fifth said:
G4. The rims are too weak to justify a higher grade.

I think you're ignoring too many other (stronger) areas of the coin, at least with respect to modern day grading.

DelawareDoons

G det cleaned is what I'd grade it but I'd bet a finalizer adjusts that to G4 cuz 89-CC.

Wear pattern is unusual on this one too.

coastaljerseyguy

@DelawareDoons said:
G det cleaned is what I'd grade it but I'd bet a finalizer adjusts that to G4 cuz 89-CC.

Wear pattern is unusual on this one too.

Agree, the hair, ear and wheat stalks are a F, but the lower rim on obv is G4. Same on rev. How did that happen? Artificial wear?

291fifth

@MFeld said:

@291fifth said:
G4. The rims are too weak to justify a higher grade.

I think you're ignoring too many other (stronger) areas of the coin, at least with respect to modern day grading.

Perhaps I don't really think much of "modern day grading"? Collectors who blindly accept liberal grading will pay for it when it comes time to sell.

MFeld

@291fifth said:

@MFeld said:

@291fifth said:
G4. The rims are too weak to justify a higher grade.

I think you're ignoring too many other (stronger) areas of the coin, at least with respect to modern day grading.

Perhaps I don't really think much of "modern day grading"? Collectors who blindly accept liberal grading will pay for it when it comes time to sell.

I don't either, but I still guess grades. based on today's grading.

291fifth

@MFeld said:

@291fifth said:

@MFeld said:

@291fifth said:
G4. The rims are too weak to justify a higher grade.

I think you're ignoring too many other (stronger) areas of the coin, at least with respect to modern day grading.

Perhaps I don't really think much of "modern day grading"? Collectors who blindly accept liberal grading will pay for it when it comes time to sell.

I don't either, but I still guess grades. based on today's grading.

But are weak rims accepted as part of today's grading?

MFeld

@291fifth said:

@MFeld said:

@291fifth said:

@MFeld said:

@291fifth said:
G4. The rims are too weak to justify a higher grade.

I think you're ignoring too many other (stronger) areas of the coin, at least with respect to modern day grading.

Perhaps I don't really think much of "modern day grading"? Collectors who blindly accept liberal grading will pay for it when it comes time to sell.

I don't either, but I still guess grades. based on today's grading.

But are weak rims accepted as part of today's grading?

Generally speaking, some old-time hard and fast requirements for detail on certain portions of circulated coins are often forgiven these days, if other areas are sufficiently well detailed. I'm just relaying what I've seen on many coins.

asheland

My initial thought was good 6

BillJones

If real, I would give it a VG-7, they use that grade, but it has been cleaned.

relicsncoins

I have to think the missing rims are a striking issue. The rims are full for 2/3 of the coin. I can't imagine a coin in normal circulation would wear that unevenly.

golden

If it straight grades, 4 maybe 6 on a good day.