@doubledragon said:
Duke was down by seven to Syracuse today but managed to pull off the victory, of course Coach >K had that look on his face when they were down.
While we're on this subject (and yes this is coming from a UK fan/alumnus) I wanted to congratulate 'K on not only his retirement but would you believe his 42 seasons at Duke are the same as Adolph Rupp's 42 years with us? So I guess this means to Duke 'K means every bit as much to them as Rupp does to us? Not to mention 'K holds the all time coaching wins record just as Rupp used to.
Yes, I have lived in North Carolina my whole life, I've followed Coach K's career over the years and he is a legend here, no matter how this season turns out, he has had a wonderful career and he put Duke on the map. And Adolph Rupp is one of the greatest coaches in sports history and it is an honor for Coach K to be mentioned in the same breathe as the legendary Adolph Rupp. 🖒
Yes, I have lived in North Carolina my whole life, I've followed Coach K's career over the years and he is a legend here, no matter how this season turns out, he has had a wonderful career and he put Duke on the map. And Adolph Rupp is one of the greatest coaches in sports history and it is an honor for Coach K to be mentioned in the same breathe as the legendary Adolph Rupp. 🖒
I know this might sound like blasphemy coming from a two time UK graduate and YES I hold that 1992 Christian Latner grudge just like all of them (I used to tell my Bostonian wife that was our "Bill Buckner" moment)...but hey, the stats I mentioned don't lie, both men won Olympic Gold Medals and similar to how Rupp never had a losing season (he came close in 1967)...K since 1984 had only never had a losing season, but lost ten games only five times and never once since 1984 missed the NCAA Tournament. And I'd say the man put Duke on the map just as much if not more than Rupp did for KY.
So yeah I hate those blasted Duke boys just like any other true blue UK fan but that man has (as far as I know) been nothing but a class act and represented his team well...but what I will most remember and respect him for was right after that heartbreaking "Bill Buckner" moment of 1992, he went out of his way to personally congratulate perhaps the second biggest name in our history besides Rupp...our legendary radio broadcaster Cawood Ledford who was retiring that year. Check it out at 1:03:00...
Yes, I have lived in North Carolina my whole life, I've followed Coach K's career over the years and he is a legend here, no matter how this season turns out, he has had a wonderful career and he put Duke on the map. And Adolph Rupp is one of the greatest coaches in sports history and it is an honor for Coach K to be mentioned in the same breathe as the legendary Adolph Rupp. 🖒
I know this might sound like blasphemy coming from a two time UK graduate and YES I hold that 1992 Christian Latner grudge just like all of them (I used to tell my Bostonian wife that was our "Bill Buckner" moment)...but hey, the stats I mentioned don't lie, both men won Olympic Gold Medals and similar to how Rupp never had a losing season (he came close in 1967)...K since 1984 had only never had a losing season, but lost ten games only five times and never once since 1984 missed the NCAA Tournament. And I'd say the man put Duke on the map just as much if not more than Rupp did for KY.
So yeah I hate those blasted Duke boys just like any other true blue UK fan but that man has (as far as I know) been nothing but a class act and represented his team well...but what I will most remember and respect him for was right after that heartbreaking "Bill Buckner" moment of 1992, he went out of his way to personally congratulate perhaps the second biggest name in our history besides Rupp...our legendary radio broadcaster Cawood Ledford who was retiring that year. Check it out at 1:03:00...
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Yeah, Coach K has been a class act for sure, I have really enjoyed watching him coach over the years and he really cares about the players he coaches, it was a really classy gesture for Coach K to congratulate Cawood Ledford. One thing about my family, half of my family are Duke fans and the other half are UNC Tar Heels fans, and those two teams hate each other, so during college basketball season we are always fighting! 😂😂
Duke missed the tournament last year. They also missed in 1995 when K missed half the season. Classy Coach K specially petitioned the NCAA to have most of Duke's games that year removed from his record and attributed to Pete Gaudet.
@Tabe said:
Duke missed the tournament last year. They also missed in 1995 when K missed half the season. Classy Coach K specially petitioned the NCAA to have most of Duke's games that year removed from his record and attributed to Pete Gaudet.
The Pete Gaudet thing was probably Coach K's ego, he has a pretty big ego, and he's ridiculously competitive, he can't stand to lose, it eats him up. To be honest, I didn't like the Pete Gaudet incident either, I thought Coach K should have just let it go, but for the most part he has been a class act.
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@Tabe said:
Duke missed the tournament last year. They also missed in 1995 when K missed half the season. Classy Coach K specially petitioned the NCAA to have most of Duke's games that year removed from his record and attributed to Pete Gaudet.
The Pete Gaudet thing was probably Coach K's ego, he has a pretty big ego, and he's ridiculously competitive, he can't stand to lose, it eats him up. To be honest, I didn't like the Pete Gaudet incident either, I thought Coach K should have just let it go, but for the most part he has been a class act.
Depends on how you define class. Is it classy to be considered one of the most-profane coaches? Is it classy to repeatedly condone dirty play from players like Grayson Allen? Or to lie about what you said to a player (Dillon Brooks) in the handshake line? Was it classy when he was condescending to a student reporter who asked an innocuous question?
@Tabe said:
Duke missed the tournament last year. They also missed in 1995 when K missed half the season. Classy Coach K specially petitioned the NCAA to have most of Duke's games that year removed from his record and attributed to Pete Gaudet.
The Pete Gaudet thing was probably Coach K's ego, he has a pretty big ego, and he's ridiculously competitive, he can't stand to lose, it eats him up. To be honest, I didn't like the Pete Gaudet incident either, I thought Coach K should have just let it go, but for the most part he has been a class act.
Depends on how you define class. Is it classy to be considered one of the most-profane coaches? Is it classy to repeatedly condone dirty play from players like Grayson Allen? Or to lie about what you said to a player (Dillon Brooks) in the handshake line? Was it classy when he was condescending to a student reporter who asked an innocuous question?
Fine Tabe, he's the biggest jerk off of all time, they should hang him.
@Steven59 said:
First #1 seed goes down......Baylor loses to NC.
Players need to maintain their composure. 25 point lead with about ten minutes to go, better player loses it, gets thrown out. Next thing you know they are in overtime.
@Tabe said:
Duke missed the tournament last year. They also missed in 1995 when K missed half the season. Classy Coach K specially petitioned the NCAA to have most of Duke's games that year removed from his record and attributed to Pete Gaudet.
The Pete Gaudet thing was probably Coach K's ego, he has a pretty big ego, and he's ridiculously competitive, he can't stand to lose, it eats him up. To be honest, I didn't like the Pete Gaudet incident either, I thought Coach K should have just let it go, but for the most part he has been a class act.
Depends on how you define class. Is it classy to be considered one of the most-profane coaches? Is it classy to repeatedly condone dirty play from players like Grayson Allen? Or to lie about what you said to a player (Dillon Brooks) in the handshake line? Was it classy when he was condescending to a student reporter who asked an innocuous question?
Fine Tabe, he's the biggest jerk off of all time, they should hang him.
Just saying his reputation for "class" is a tad overblown.
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@Tabe said:
If you follow CBB, why are you talking like it's still 2009? The WCC isn't a joke, Gonzaga is clearly an elite program (they sent 3 guys to the NBA last year alone), and they've made the Sweet 16 six straight times, something only 3 other schools have ever done. Oh, and their former assistant turned Arizona into the #2 school in the country in one year. Clearly, Gonzaga is doing something right.
Well they played a 16 seed in round 1, pretty similar to the quality of the league they play in, a 9 seed Mamphis in round 2, and barely squeaked by. Now they play a 4 from a major conference, and if they get by that a 2 or 3 from a major conference. We will see, as I noted the constantly weak conference play won't help them. All of their hard non-con games are in the beginning of the season. Memory.
In terms of rankings nationally for college academics, here is the USNews rankings:
So for a smaller school (8K enrollment), that is not bad. But I would argue that other private schools like I dunno, Caltech, MIT, Chicago...... who literally put just a token in sports are well, much much better academically and I think everyone agrees with this. I also found a ranking of PNW small schools, and that one puts Seattle U, U Port, and Whitman ahead of Gonzaga (certainly Linfield, Reed, and Lewis and Clark, among others, would have a say in that too). So again, they are ok, but for some reason want their rep to be as a BB powerhouse instead of the best in academics within their niche. Their choice I guess.
On another note. UH is back in the sweet 16. They lost their 2 best players for the season in December yet continue to do well. Now they play AZ, hoping for the best and we will see.
Didn't someone earlier in the thread say Michigan should have never gotten in? Well just shows how strong the Power 5 conferences are and why the win many of the championships. Strong in conference competition pays off.
@Goldenage said:
This Olympic gold medalist is with us
Sort of. Too bad he couldn't go to home games half the season! Pretty funny they suspended him for mask issues. Seems pretty stupid for a public figure to let a situation get to that point. I assume there is more to the story but funny either way.
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I think Gonzaga is clearly an elite basketball program. There is no doubt. It's been at least 10 years they have been in that category in my opinion.
In terms of academics they are not elite. Not a lot of debate there. It's a regular private school. It's fine. It's one of the law schools I got into so can't be too great! Lol.
Well Arizona found out what Kansas learned during the regular season.......
TCU is one tough, hard nosed basketball team. Those dudes are hard to beat!
What a great game that was, glad I stayed up for it although pretty tired at work today.
espn's reseeding the Sweet 16 puts UH as a #1 seed. Problem is, they play Az in the round of 16, another #1. Whomever comes out of that game appears to have espn's blessing to move through to the final 4........ And this, after they kept Duke, for example, as a #2......................
@spacehayduke said:
espn's reseeding the Sweet 16 puts UH as a #1 seed. Problem is, they play Az in the round of 16, another #1. Whomever comes out of that game appears to have espn's blessing to move through to the final 4........ And this, after they kept Duke, for example, as a #2......................
I was just discussing this with my crew. Houston is plus +240 to make it out of the South. If they beat Arizona ( U of A is a slight favorite ) they have to beat the Villinova/ Michigan winner. Interesting
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@Tabe said:
If you follow CBB, why are you talking like it's still 2009? The WCC isn't a joke, Gonzaga is clearly an elite program (they sent 3 guys to the NBA last year alone), and they've made the Sweet 16 six straight times, something only 3 other schools have ever done. Oh, and their former assistant turned Arizona into the #2 school in the country in one year. Clearly, Gonzaga is doing something right.
Well they played a 16 seed in round 1, pretty similar to the quality of the league they play in, a 9 seed Mamphis in round 2, and barely squeaked by. Now they play a 4 from a major conference, and if they get by that a 2 or 3 from a major conference. We will see, as I noted the constantly weak conference play won't help them. All of their hard non-con games are in the beginning of the season. Memory.
What does that say for the conference Kentucky plays in? Or Arizona, who needed the worst non-call of all-time to beat a 9?
Fact is, Gonzaga it's in the Sweet 16 for the 7th straight time. Only two other schools have ever done that.
As for academics, there are 4000 colleges and universities in the US. Being ranked 79th puts Gonzaga in the top 2%. That's elite.
@Tabe said:
If you follow CBB, why are you talking like it's still 2009? The WCC isn't a joke, Gonzaga is clearly an elite program (they sent 3 guys to the NBA last year alone), and they've made the Sweet 16 six straight times, something only 3 other schools have ever done. Oh, and their former assistant turned Arizona into the #2 school in the country in one year. Clearly, Gonzaga is doing something right.
Well they played a 16 seed in round 1, pretty similar to the quality of the league they play in, a 9 seed Mamphis in round 2, and barely squeaked by. Now they play a 4 from a major conference, and if they get by that a 2 or 3 from a major conference. We will see, as I noted the constantly weak conference play won't help them. All of their hard non-con games are in the beginning of the season. Memory.
What does that say for the conference Kentucky plays in? Or Arizona, who needed the worst non-call of all-time to beat a 9?
Fact is, Gonzaga it's in the Sweet 16 for the 7th straight time. Only two other schools have ever done that.
As for academics, there are 4000 colleges and universities in the US. Being ranked 79th puts Gonzaga in the top 2%. That's elite.
Actually, Arizona squeaking by TCU is more about how strong the Big 12 is than how weak Arizona's conference is.
And yes, I know Baylor got beat but they are the defending national champions and UNC is much, much better
than their tournament ranking. Iowa State even made it to the sweet sixteen and they were supposed to
be a pushover. Gonzaga might be elite like you say but they would have lost a lot more games if they
were a Big 12 team. And they don't really have any bragging rights until they can finish the deal and actually
win a national championship.
@Tabe said:
Fact is, Gonzaga it's in the Sweet 16 for the 7th straight time. Only two other schools have ever done that.
As for academics, there are 4000 colleges and universities in the US. Being ranked 79th puts Gonzaga in the top 2%. That's elite.
Elite you say, university you say, well no, wsj just announced the top universities - they are Harvard, MIT, and Stanford. Being elite in a single sport entertainment buisness does not make a university elite................. And on top of that, Gonzaga is a school that draws from 'direct institutional support' to cover the deficits of the athletic dept. at the tune of $8 million a year according to records I found on the web. That means each student pays $10K of their $50K tuition to the athletic dept at Gonzaga. I wonder if they could raise their academic profile by putting those funds instead into academic endeavors that benefit all of the rest of the 8000 students, not just a few ball players? Elite you say.......................
Actually, Arizona squeaking by TCU is more about how strong the Big 12 is than how weak Arizona's conference is.
And yes, I know Baylor got beat but they are the defending national champions and UNC is much, much better
than their tournament ranking. Iowa State even made it to the sweet sixteen and they were supposed to
be a pushover. Gonzaga might be elite like you say but they would have lost a lot more games if they
were a Big 12 team. And they don't really have any bragging rights until they can finish the deal and actually
win a national championship.
Pac 12 has 2 teams in the Sweet 16 in 2022, last year they had 4 in the Sweet 16 (1 in the final four), , that is not weak, that is pretty much par for the course of a power 5 conference. And yes, that is my point about Gonzaga, they play in a cannon fodder conference, if they were power 5 they would lose more. And with all of their athletic dept. budget deficits, have never won the NCAAM championship, but finished 2nd twice. So I fully agree on the Gonzaga bragging rights, just not there.
Actually, Arizona squeaking by TCU is more about how strong the Big 12 is than how weak Arizona's conference is.
And yes, I know Baylor got beat but they are the defending national champions and UNC is much, much better
than their tournament ranking. Iowa State even made it to the sweet sixteen and they were supposed to
be a pushover. Gonzaga might be elite like you say but they would have lost a lot more games if they
were a Big 12 team. And they don't really have any bragging rights until they can finish the deal and actually
win a national championship.
I think you missed my point entirely. I was being facetious. I don't think the Pac-12 or B12 are weak conferences.
I don't think there's any doubt Gonzaga would lose more games playing in a different conference. They would still be a top program though. To your point, though, in the last 2 seasons Gonzaga is 5-1 versus the Big 12 with their only loss being the Baylor game in the national title game. Their margin of victory in those games has been 12, 5, 16, 12, and 14 with wins over Kansas (the 12-point that wasn't nearly that close), Texas, and Oklahoma. In the last 3 seasons, Gonzaga is 6-0 against the Pac-12. Two of those went to OT including the incredible Final Four game last year against UCLA. Realistically, if they're playing in the P12 or B12, instead of their standard 30-3, they're looking at 27-6 or similar.
I do think it's odd the perception folks have of different conferences though. The Big 10 has won one national title in the last 30 years (MSU in 2000). The Pac-12 hasn't won one since 1995.
No, Gonzaga hasn't won a title. It's the one thing missing on their resume. They've made two title games and, with a dry floor (and maybe competent officiating), I believe with all my heart they beat North Carolina. But they haven't done it, so "you haven't won a title!" is a fair criticism. What's not fair is saying "they always choke" or "they don't play anybody" or "their conference is a joke". The choke thing has been gone for years. Gonzaga has ALWAYS been willing to play anybody. And their conference, while not the best for sure, is WAAAAY better than most give it credit for. As a Gonzaga fan, all I ask for is to be fair. They've won a ton of games, they've had a lot of success in the NCAAs, and they've sent a ton of guys to the NBA. That seems like stuff to be celebrated not picked apart. I will concede, however, that the amount and type of attention they get from the networks can definitely be grating. Even I get tired of the constant "they've made the tournament a billion years in a row" and "aren't they amazing, this little school?" stuff.
Tabe- Great post! If KU doesn't win it I believe I'll be rooting for Gonzaga.
Goldenage- Very funny post. Because you can't seriously be saying Gonzaga has dominated the
Big Twelve when Baylor beat them for the National Championship one year ago.
I'm not positive about this but I think if KU beats Providence it will give Kansas one more all time wins
than Kentucky. And I think Kentucky has held the record for years and years.
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Tonight there was absolutely nothing I wanted to watch on TV.
Tuesday wasn't much better so I ended up watching Rick and Marty spend 3 million dollars to
find a few scraps of wood and some rusty 400 year old piece of iron like they do every week on Oak Island.
I've never seen such a pathetic display of not finding what you're looking for since 'finding bigfoot' was on TV.
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Yes, I have lived in North Carolina my whole life, I've followed Coach K's career over the years and he is a legend here, no matter how this season turns out, he has had a wonderful career and he put Duke on the map. And Adolph Rupp is one of the greatest coaches in sports history and it is an honor for Coach K to be mentioned in the same breathe as the legendary Adolph Rupp. 🖒
I know this might sound like blasphemy coming from a two time UK graduate and YES I hold that 1992 Christian Latner grudge just like all of them (I used to tell my Bostonian wife that was our "Bill Buckner" moment)...but hey, the stats I mentioned don't lie, both men won Olympic Gold Medals and similar to how Rupp never had a losing season (he came close in 1967)...K since 1984 had only never had a losing season, but lost ten games only five times and never once since 1984 missed the NCAA Tournament. And I'd say the man put Duke on the map just as much if not more than Rupp did for KY.
So yeah I hate those blasted Duke boys just like any other true blue UK fan but that man has (as far as I know) been nothing but a class act and represented his team well...but what I will most remember and respect him for was right after that heartbreaking "Bill Buckner" moment of 1992, he went out of his way to personally congratulate perhaps the second biggest name in our history besides Rupp...our legendary radio broadcaster Cawood Ledford who was retiring that year. Check it out at 1:03:00...
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Yeah, Coach K has been a class act for sure, I have really enjoyed watching him coach over the years and he really cares about the players he coaches, it was a really classy gesture for Coach K to congratulate Cawood Ledford. One thing about my family, half of my family are Duke fans and the other half are UNC Tar Heels fans, and those two teams hate each other, so during college basketball season we are always fighting! 😂😂
Duke missed the tournament last year. They also missed in 1995 when K missed half the season. Classy Coach K specially petitioned the NCAA to have most of Duke's games that year removed from his record and attributed to Pete Gaudet.
The Pete Gaudet thing was probably Coach K's ego, he has a pretty big ego, and he's ridiculously competitive, he can't stand to lose, it eats him up. To be honest, I didn't like the Pete Gaudet incident either, I thought Coach K should have just let it go, but for the most part he has been a class act.
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Depends on how you define class. Is it classy to be considered one of the most-profane coaches? Is it classy to repeatedly condone dirty play from players like Grayson Allen? Or to lie about what you said to a player (Dillon Brooks) in the handshake line? Was it classy when he was condescending to a student reporter who asked an innocuous question?
Fine Tabe, he's the biggest jerk off of all time, they should hang him.
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First #1 seed goes down......Baylor loses to NC.
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Players need to maintain their composure. 25 point lead with about ten minutes to go, better player loses it, gets thrown out. Next thing you know they are in overtime.
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Only saw last 3 minutes
Love to see the upsets
Other half has me on news now tho
Michigans 7th Sweet 16 since 2013. 5th in a row
No expectations just enjoying the free roll.
Juwan Howard consoling a Tennessee player
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Well they played a 16 seed in round 1, pretty similar to the quality of the league they play in, a 9 seed Mamphis in round 2, and barely squeaked by. Now they play a 4 from a major conference, and if they get by that a 2 or 3 from a major conference. We will see, as I noted the constantly weak conference play won't help them. All of their hard non-con games are in the beginning of the season. Memory.
In terms of rankings nationally for college academics, here is the USNews rankings:
So for a smaller school (8K enrollment), that is not bad. But I would argue that other private schools like I dunno, Caltech, MIT, Chicago...... who literally put just a token in sports are well, much much better academically and I think everyone agrees with this. I also found a ranking of PNW small schools, and that one puts Seattle U, U Port, and Whitman ahead of Gonzaga (certainly Linfield, Reed, and Lewis and Clark, among others, would have a say in that too). So again, they are ok, but for some reason want their rep to be as a BB powerhouse instead of the best in academics within their niche. Their choice I guess.
On another note. UH is back in the sweet 16. They lost their 2 best players for the season in December yet continue to do well. Now they play AZ, hoping for the best and we will see.
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Didn't someone earlier in the thread say Michigan should have never gotten in? Well just shows how strong the Power 5 conferences are and why the win many of the championships. Strong in conference competition pays off.
Gonzaga has a freshman who is the #1 pick in the NBA draft next year.
Please tell me another school that has one ? Don’t bother looking.
That kid chose Gonzaga because of its great reputation as a school and basketball program. He could have gone anywhere else.
NBA hall of Famer John Stockton agrees with this message.
Sort of. Too bad he couldn't go to home games half the season! Pretty funny they suspended him for mask issues. Seems pretty stupid for a public figure to let a situation get to that point. I assume there is more to the story but funny either way.
https://si.com/college/gonzaga/basketball/john-stockton-season-tickets-suspended
I think Gonzaga is clearly an elite basketball program. There is no doubt. It's been at least 10 years they have been in that category in my opinion.
In terms of academics they are not elite. Not a lot of debate there. It's a regular private school. It's fine. It's one of the law schools I got into so can't be too great! Lol.
Well Arizona found out what Kansas learned during the regular season.......
TCU is one tough, hard nosed basketball team. Those dudes are hard to beat!
What a great game that was, glad I stayed up for it although pretty tired at work today.
End of reg, I didn’t know who would walk away
espn's reseeding the Sweet 16 puts UH as a #1 seed. Problem is, they play Az in the round of 16, another #1. Whomever comes out of that game appears to have espn's blessing to move through to the final 4........ And this, after they kept Duke, for example, as a #2......................
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I was just discussing this with my crew. Houston is plus +240 to make it out of the South. If they beat Arizona ( U of A is a slight favorite ) they have to beat the Villinova/ Michigan winner. Interesting
Here is the correct link
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What does that say for the conference Kentucky plays in? Or Arizona, who needed the worst non-call of all-time to beat a 9?
Fact is, Gonzaga it's in the Sweet 16 for the 7th straight time. Only two other schools have ever done that.
As for academics, there are 4000 colleges and universities in the US. Being ranked 79th puts Gonzaga in the top 2%. That's elite.
Actually, Arizona squeaking by TCU is more about how strong the Big 12 is than how weak Arizona's conference is.
And yes, I know Baylor got beat but they are the defending national champions and UNC is much, much better
than their tournament ranking. Iowa State even made it to the sweet sixteen and they were supposed to
be a pushover. Gonzaga might be elite like you say but they would have lost a lot more games if they
were a Big 12 team. And they don't really have any bragging rights until they can finish the deal and actually
win a national championship.
Elite you say, university you say, well no, wsj just announced the top universities - they are Harvard, MIT, and Stanford. Being elite in a single sport entertainment buisness does not make a university elite................. And on top of that, Gonzaga is a school that draws from 'direct institutional support' to cover the deficits of the athletic dept. at the tune of $8 million a year according to records I found on the web. That means each student pays $10K of their $50K tuition to the athletic dept at Gonzaga. I wonder if they could raise their academic profile by putting those funds instead into academic endeavors that benefit all of the rest of the 8000 students, not just a few ball players? Elite you say.......................
Pac 12 has 2 teams in the Sweet 16 in 2022, last year they had 4 in the Sweet 16 (1 in the final four), , that is not weak, that is pretty much par for the course of a power 5 conference. And yes, that is my point about Gonzaga, they play in a cannon fodder conference, if they were power 5 they would lose more. And with all of their athletic dept. budget deficits, have never won the NCAAM championship, but finished 2nd twice. So I fully agree on the Gonzaga bragging rights, just not there.
I think you missed my point entirely. I was being facetious. I don't think the Pac-12 or B12 are weak conferences.
I don't think there's any doubt Gonzaga would lose more games playing in a different conference. They would still be a top program though. To your point, though, in the last 2 seasons Gonzaga is 5-1 versus the Big 12 with their only loss being the Baylor game in the national title game. Their margin of victory in those games has been 12, 5, 16, 12, and 14 with wins over Kansas (the 12-point that wasn't nearly that close), Texas, and Oklahoma. In the last 3 seasons, Gonzaga is 6-0 against the Pac-12. Two of those went to OT including the incredible Final Four game last year against UCLA. Realistically, if they're playing in the P12 or B12, instead of their standard 30-3, they're looking at 27-6 or similar.
I do think it's odd the perception folks have of different conferences though. The Big 10 has won one national title in the last 30 years (MSU in 2000). The Pac-12 hasn't won one since 1995.
No, Gonzaga hasn't won a title. It's the one thing missing on their resume. They've made two title games and, with a dry floor (and maybe competent officiating), I believe with all my heart they beat North Carolina. But they haven't done it, so "you haven't won a title!" is a fair criticism. What's not fair is saying "they always choke" or "they don't play anybody" or "their conference is a joke". The choke thing has been gone for years. Gonzaga has ALWAYS been willing to play anybody. And their conference, while not the best for sure, is WAAAAY better than most give it credit for. As a Gonzaga fan, all I ask for is to be fair. They've won a ton of games, they've had a lot of success in the NCAAs, and they've sent a ton of guys to the NBA. That seems like stuff to be celebrated not picked apart. I will concede, however, that the amount and type of attention they get from the networks can definitely be grating. Even I get tired of the constant "they've made the tournament a billion years in a row" and "aren't they amazing, this little school?" stuff.
Gonzaga has cleaned the Big 12 and Pac 12 clocks recently.
The only correct word that can be used is domination.
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Tabe- Great post! If KU doesn't win it I believe I'll be rooting for Gonzaga.
Goldenage- Very funny post. Because you can't seriously be saying Gonzaga has dominated the
Big Twelve when Baylor beat them for the National Championship one year ago.
I'm not positive about this but I think if KU beats Providence it will give Kansas one more all time wins
than Kentucky. And I think Kentucky has held the record for years and years.
Please get here Thursday!! I can't wait for 4 NCAA basketball games.
Tonight there was absolutely nothing I wanted to watch on TV.
Tuesday wasn't much better so I ended up watching Rick and Marty spend 3 million dollars to
find a few scraps of wood and some rusty 400 year old piece of iron like they do every week on Oak Island.
I've never seen such a pathetic display of not finding what you're looking for since 'finding bigfoot' was on TV.
Zags down by 3 at the half
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My Indians
Danco Set
they're fraudulent
a 16 hung with them for more than a half, they barely escaped Memphis, and now Arkansas is going to put them to sleep
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