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U.S. Grant Medal Restrike by Elliott Smith

ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 2, 2022 9:38PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I just ran across this interesting restrike using a William Key die.

Who was Elliott Smith? Was this a numismatist or dealer token of his?

Is this die known to exist today?


When I looked up Elliot Smith, I just found this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/elliottsmith/comments/i2nje1/starting_to_finally_expand_the_elliot_smith/

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  • StrikeOutXXXStrikeOutXXX Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2, 2022 2:29PM

    A little Google-Sleuthing shows one in the Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Library & Museum:
    https://rbhayes.pastperfectonline.com/webobject/E3121FBE-9927-4541-BE79-325224215592

    At the bottom of the page here:
    https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/528986?page=52

    Has an entry for him with some dates.

    Also:
    October 8, 1920, at the New York Numismatic Club,
    Elliott Smith (1866-1944) exhibited an
    extremely fine 1792 half disme. Smith was Life
    Member #1 of the ANA.

    And from here:
    https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/527212?page=424

    Now you'll have to get one of these to make a little display 8-)
    from: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/512673?page=195

    ------------------------------------------------------------

    "You Suck Award" - February, 2015

    Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2, 2022 5:12PM

    @StrikeOutXXX Great info!

    The mention of the New York Numismatic Society got me to look up my 1917 Numismatic Knights of the Round Table medal and sure enough, Elliott Smith is on it! He's a Numismatic Knight!

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2, 2022 5:39PM

    OMG. It turns out I was the underbidder on the Grant die back in 2016!

    https://historical.ha.com/itm/political/ulysses-s-grant-campaign-medal-steel-die/a/6168-43172.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

    Ulysses S. Grant: Campaign Medal Steel Die. Steel die for the obverse of USG-1872-11 by William Key of Philadelphia. It measures 2" tall with a base diameter of 1 3/4". Excellent condition with a polished surface. From the Scott W. Dolson Collection.

  • ByersByers Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool die!

    mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭

    You got to learn about a good numismatist, and a great singer!

    --

    Ed. S.

    (EJS)
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2, 2022 9:35PM

    I agree @Byers! Too bad I didn't go higher at the time! If I knew what I know now, I would have! Live and learn!

    Here's the original medal from 1872:

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That campaign medal is great. The Civil War has always been a topic of interest for me... I have several books on the subject. If I were to see one of those medals, I would surely try to make it mine.... Cheers, RickO

  • SPalladinoSPalladino Posts: 873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins - thank you for another great post/thread! Yours are among my favorites in this forum!

    Steve Palladino
    - Ike Group member
    - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    @StrikeOutXXX Great info!

    The mention of the New York Numismatic Society got me to look up my 1917 Numismatic Knights of the Round Table medal and sure enough, Elliott Smith is on it! He's a Numismatic Knight!

    A friend of Thomas L. Elder! See DeLorey-86, 90, 91, 92 & 93.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    @StrikeOutXXX Great info!

    The mention of the New York Numismatic Society got me to look up my 1917 Numismatic Knights of the Round Table medal and sure enough, Elliott Smith is on it! He's a Numismatic Knight!

    I might quibble with this label. It is not a "Dickeson Issue." It is definitely an "Elder Issue" using one older die commonly attributed to Dickeson, though even that is subject to debate.

    TD

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SPalladino said:
    @Zoins - thank you for another great post/thread! Yours are among my favorites in this forum!

    Thanks! I'm glad you enjoy the threads! I love making these "discoveries" and connections!

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @Zoins said:
    @StrikeOutXXX Great info!

    The mention of the New York Numismatic Society got me to look up my 1917 Numismatic Knights of the Round Table medal and sure enough, Elliott Smith is on it! He's a Numismatic Knight!

    A friend of Thomas L. Elder! See DeLorey-86, 90, 91, 92 & 93.

    Yes! It seems like they were friends!

    I wonder if this was struck/ordered by Elder for Smith?

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What a great medal.
    I really like President Grant.
    He and I shared the same birthday.
    For the longest time, I thought (in error on my part) that he died on his birthday.
    Funny what we believe when so young.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't know, but I doubt it. Elder was quite prolific in this time period.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.

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