Well, THAT is a p*sser.

moursund

Not a very secure way to package a coin for shipment. The envelope arrived, but no coin. I've now contacted the eBay seller. I wanted that coin! 😢
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davewesen

and tracking shows delivered

AUandAG

Hope he finds it for you.

bob

Pnies20

eBay is sometimes awesome and equally terrible.

Jzyskowski1

I hope this works out 🙀🤨.

CoinHoarder

I've had that happen twice. Both times with silver dollars that were likely put loose, in a regular envelope. Same tear as in the corner of your envelope, when I received the empty contents.

LanceNewmanOCC

is that a coin shipment standard envelope for a coin over $20?

habaraca

has to be the end mail person...... if damaged before they should NEVER even pick it for delivery

originalisbest

Very sorry that happened. One time a board member shipped a $20 gold piece (common) loose in an envelope, "just to prove it could be done" -- amazingly, it got there. Nonetheless, I had never seen someone so penny-wise and pound-foolish.

MasonG

@AUandAG said:
Hope he finds it for you.

bob

No chance of that happening. The coin is on the floor in some USPS processing building. That image shows what happens to a loose coin in an envelope when it's run through a sorting machine.

edited to add... Put a loose quarter in an envelope and seal it. Grab the envelope by one corner and hold the envelope so it hangs behind your shoulder. Flick the envelope forward quickly. This is what you'll see...

If you want to try this yourself, do it outdoors, with a coin you don't mind losing.

vulcanize

Keeping fingers crossed that you get your coin back.
I have found three ASE taped on to the mint set in my package where the envelope got torn in a similar way.
Guess those franking machines are to be blamed and the employee just assumed the ASE was also part of my package. Similarly have lost a couple of coins to such envelope tears where insurance covered the loss. Have to also say kudos to USPS because quite a few of other envelopes that tore got rebagged with contents intact and came with an apology.
It is time for all sellers to start using a lot of tape and also better packaging methods instead of merely sticking it in an envelope and sending it (even worse is if it is sent as risky mail with a forever stamp like a lot of my coins that came in 2020).

MasonG

There's nothing wrong with shipping a coin using an envelope & stamp if you secure the coin properly. I have mailed thousands of them like that with no damage.

moursund

@LanceNewmanOCC said:
is that a coin shipment standard envelope for a coin over $20?

well, just over $20...
But I was the only bidder on the auction, and I thought it a nice coin for $20...

Still, one of many to fill my well-circulated barber half album. It wasn't the love of my life.

LanceNewmanOCC

@moursund said:

@LanceNewmanOCC said:
is that a coin shipment standard envelope for a coin over $20?

well, just over $20...
But I was the only bidder on the auction, and I thought it a nice coin for $20...

Still, one of many to fill my well-circulated barber half album. It wasn't the love of my life.

frustrating loss for sure.

i was curious as i am not even given the option for SE service with an item is .01 over $20. i'll have to dig some more as i've had several items in the 20-30 range i'd like to have shipped that way WITH tracking. thanks

if you communicate with the seller again, you can advise to staple on each side of the item(s) within the packing slip. only way someone is getting a coin outta one of my envelopes is essentially ripping it in half. staples are cheap but need to be used cautiously.

BryceM

I bought a bunch of Ikes once - something like 200 or 300 of them. They arrived in a horribly over-stuffed, rotund flat rate envelope!!! The vinyl bag inside had torn and dollars were literally leaking out of a hole in the side of the envelope when I picked it up.

I hope this works out for you.

MasonG

@LanceNewmanOCC said:
is that a coin shipment standard envelope for a coin over $20?

$19.00 + $3.50 shipping.

moursund

@MasonG said:

@LanceNewmanOCC said:
is that a coin shipment standard envelope for a coin over $20?

$19.00 + $3.50 shipping.

You are correct, sir!
They actually reduced the shipping by $2.00 (refunded for combined shipping or something).
I wish they had charged the full shipping, and invested the $2.00 in a SAFLIP!

moursund

@BryceM said:
I bought a bunch of Ikes once - something like 200 or 300 of them. They arrived in a horribly over-stuffed, rotund flat rate envelope!!! The vinyl bag inside had torn and dollars were literally leaking out of a hole in the side of the envelope when I picked it up.

I hope this works out for you.

Ikes are 20 to the pound... somebody was getting money's worth on flat rate envelope!

jesbroken

Good luck. No chance you showed the envelope to the Post Master before you left the P.O.? Hope so.
Jim

moursund

@jesbroken said:
Good luck. No chance you showed the envelope to the Post Master before you left the P.O.? Hope so.
Jim

No, this was in my mailbox at home. I don't use any fancy-smancy P.O. box.

jesbroken

Did you look in the mailbox? Just hoping.
Jim

PerryHall

It would be funny if the mailman showed you his new pocket piece.

moursund

@jesbroken said:
Did you look in the mailbox? Just hoping.
Jim

Funny enough... I did look. And looked again. I should wait till next time I see the mailman, and ask if he happened to find a 50c piece.

moursund

@PerryHall said:
It would be funny if the mailman showed you his new pocket piece.

I'd tell him to stop touching it!

IkesT

@moursund said:
Not a very secure way to package a coin for shipment. The envelope arrived, but no coin.

The same thing happened to me just yesterday. Luckily, it was not a very important coin. I let the seller know, opened a case, and got my refund by the end of the day.

BryceM

@moursund said:

@BryceM said:
I bought a bunch of Ikes once - something like 200 or 300 of them. They arrived in a horribly over-stuffed, rotund flat rate envelope!!! The vinyl bag inside had torn and dollars were literally leaking out of a hole in the side of the envelope when I picked it up.

I hope this works out for you.

Ikes are 20 to the pound... somebody was getting money's worth on flat rate envelope!

I just weighed the bag. 10.1 pounds! That’s after I’ve spent a few and given quite a few away as gifts.

oih82w8

Super sloppy packaging on the senders part, imo.

joeykoins

Sorry to hear about your situation.
Like mentioned, glad it wasn't a $200 coin or even worse a $2000 coin. Whenever I send some coin/s out, I make sure it's well secured and safe. My wife always yells at me for using so much plastic tape! I just wrap and wrap and wrap. Lol
Hope everything turns out for the better?

bearcave

@IkesT said:

@moursund said:
Not a very secure way to package a coin for shipment. The envelope arrived, but no coin.

The same thing happened to me just yesterday. Luckily, it was not a very important coin. I let the seller know, opened a case, and got my refund by the end of the day.

Ebay would not do anything with mine. It had tracking and had been delivered. Seller would not help because tracking showed it was delivered.

ricko

That is just poor packaging. The coin should have been wrapped and taped to the inside and it should have been a bubble envelope. Fault = seller. Cheers, RickO

ZoidMeister

Happened to me last year. The seller was very indignant about it, said that I should have paid him for insurance.

It took a while, but I got the post office to stamp the envelope "missing contents", refused delivery and had the empty envelope returned to the sender.

The envelope came back to me, I took pictures and filed a non-receipt claim with ebay. I did eventually get refunded.

Seller handwritten my address which had a ZipCode error in it. The package went back and forth from San Francisco to Atlanta three times over six weeks before showing up empty. Seller said he'd mailed over 7,000 packages with loose coins and handwritten addresses without ever having a problem. I told him he could never say that again.

He essentially said "tough luck."

Z

ZoidMeister

@bearcave said:

@IkesT said:

@moursund said:
Not a very secure way to package a coin for shipment. The envelope arrived, but no coin.

The same thing happened to me just yesterday. Luckily, it was not a very important coin. I let the seller know, opened a case, and got my refund by the end of the day.

Ebay would not do anything with mine. It had tracking and had been delivered. Seller would not help because tracking showed it was delivered.

Ebay has an affidavit of non-delivery. If you are persistent enough, keep filling claims and contesting their initial ruling, proving shipping negligence by the seller, you will get your refund.

Z

ZoidMeister

I've bought from that seller before as well.

My purchase arrived in good order.

Z

MasonG

@ricko said:
That is just poor packaging. The coin should have been wrapped and taped to the inside and it should have been a bubble envelope. Fault = seller. Cheers, RickO

It's the seller's fault for improper packing but a bubble envelope is not necessary, especially when it costs 10x more for shipping. Spending 25% of the price of the coin on shipping and insurance for a bubble envelope ($5.10 or so for a $20 coin) is silly when a regular envelope will do just fine and costs 53 cents using eBay Standard Envelope.

moursund

@ZoidMeister said:

@bearcave said:

@IkesT said:

@moursund said:
Not a very secure way to package a coin for shipment. The envelope arrived, but no coin.

The same thing happened to me just yesterday. Luckily, it was not a very important coin. I let the seller know, opened a case, and got my refund by the end of the day.

Ebay would not do anything with mine. It had tracking and had been delivered. Seller would not help because tracking showed it was delivered.

Ebay has an affidavit of non-delivery. If you are persistent enough, keep filling claims and contesting their initial ruling, proving shipping negligence by the seller, you will get your refund.

Z

For $20, I'm hoping the seller will refund me, and I'll move on. I don't want to fuss around contesting ebay rulings.
Just for the sake of discussion, would a SNAD be appropriate if the package is empty?

IkesT

@moursund said:

@ZoidMeister said:

@bearcave said:

@IkesT said:

@moursund said:
Not a very secure way to package a coin for shipment. The envelope arrived, but no coin.

The same thing happened to me just yesterday. Luckily, it was not a very important coin. I let the seller know, opened a case, and got my refund by the end of the day.

Ebay would not do anything with mine. It had tracking and had been delivered. Seller would not help because tracking showed it was delivered.

Ebay has an affidavit of non-delivery. If you are persistent enough, keep filling claims and contesting their initial ruling, proving shipping negligence by the seller, you will get your refund.

Z

For $20, I'm hoping the seller will refund me, and I'll move on. I don't want to fuss around contesting ebay rulings.
Just for the sake of discussion, would a SNAD be appropriate if the package is empty?

You can do an SNAD, but now you can also select that you didn't receive the item, even if tracking shows it as delivered. But before opening a case, I contact the seller first to let them know what happened (with photos). It's a courtesy that makes them feel included (and hopefully less suspicious) and it definitely helps to get a quick refund if they are on your side.

IkesT

@ZoidMeister said:
Seller handwritten my address which had a ZipCode error in it. The package went back and forth from San Francisco to Atlanta three times over six weeks before showing up empty.

Extra time in the mail was a common factor in my case, as well. The envelope was sent and then returned to sender for insufficient postage, so they had to send it a second time. It was also a relatively large, heavy coin (40% silver Ike) and the paper envelope just gave out (split down the side).

moursund

@IkesT said:

@moursund said:

@ZoidMeister said:

@bearcave said:

@IkesT said:

@moursund said:
Not a very secure way to package a coin for shipment. The envelope arrived, but no coin.

The same thing happened to me just yesterday. Luckily, it was not a very important coin. I let the seller know, opened a case, and got my refund by the end of the day.

Ebay would not do anything with mine. It had tracking and had been delivered. Seller would not help because tracking showed it was delivered.

Ebay has an affidavit of non-delivery. If you are persistent enough, keep filling claims and contesting their initial ruling, proving shipping negligence by the seller, you will get your refund.

Z

For $20, I'm hoping the seller will refund me, and I'll move on. I don't want to fuss around contesting ebay rulings.
Just for the sake of discussion, would a SNAD be appropriate if the package is empty?

You can do an SNAD, but now you can also select that you didn't receive the item, even if tracking shows it as delivered. But before opening a case, I contact the seller first to let them know what happened (with photos). It's a courtesy that makes them feel included (and hopefully less suspicious) and it definitely helps to get a quick refund if they are on your side.

Yes, first thing i did was take pictures and explained the situation to the seller. No response yet, but that was just yesterday afternoon.

streeter

Can we look further to additional back & forth on this scintillating ebay $20 affair?

I'll not rest easy & will need more updates. Let's keep this at the top of the US Coin Forum. Or I can send you $20 so you can concentrate on your next foray into eBay.

Eight self bumps in one day. How do you get time to work?

oldabeintx

Same thing happened to me from a seller in Germany. Poor packaging. Seller didn't believe me (apparently) and I gave up, probably too easily. Not a particularly valuable coin, my time was worth more. Put the seller on my Do Not Buy list,

moursund

@streeter said:
Can we look further to additional back & forth on this scintillating ebay $20 affair?

I'll not rest easy & will need more updates. Let's keep this at the top of the US Coin Forum. Or I can send you $20 so you can concentrate on your next foray into eBay.

Eight self bumps in one day. How do you get time to work?

Would you be happier if a much more valuable coin had been lost?

bearcave

@oldabeintx said:
Same thing happened to me from a seller in Germany. Poor packaging. Seller didn't believe me (apparently) and I gave up, probably too easily. Not a particularly valuable coin, my time was worth more. Put the seller on my Do Not Buy list,

That's what I done, I had pictures and showed the seller, he is the one stated also that tracking showed the package there. The seller didn't care what the picture showed. I gave up to easily and the coin value was not worth my time.

MedalCollector

@MasonG said:

@ricko said:
That is just poor packaging. The coin should have been wrapped and taped to the inside and it should have been a bubble envelope. Fault = seller. Cheers, RickO

It's the seller's fault for improper packing but a bubble envelope is not necessary, especially when it costs 10x more for shipping. Spending 25% of the price of the coin on shipping and insurance for a bubble envelope ($5.10 or so for a $20 coin) is silly when a regular envelope will do just fine and costs 53 cents using eBay Standard Envelope.

Ebay standard envelope also includes $20 insurance. If that’s how it was sent, the seller shouldn’t hesitate to issue a refund.

COCollector

@MasonG said:

@AUandAG said:
Hope he finds it for you.

bob

...The coin is on the floor in some USPS processing building...

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I bet the guy that sweeps the floor finds plenty of interesting stuff.

moursund

@GoldenEgg said:

@MasonG said:

@ricko said:
That is just poor packaging. The coin should have been wrapped and taped to the inside and it should have been a bubble envelope. Fault = seller. Cheers, RickO

It's the seller's fault for improper packing but a bubble envelope is not necessary, especially when it costs 10x more for shipping. Spending 25% of the price of the coin on shipping and insurance for a bubble envelope ($5.10 or so for a $20 coin) is silly when a regular envelope will do just fine and costs 53 cents using eBay Standard Envelope.

Ebay standard envelope also includes $20 insurance. If that’s how it was sent, the seller shouldn’t hesitate to issue a refund.

They seem to be refunding me. 👍
If still rather have the coin 😉

ZoidMeister

@moursund said:

@GoldenEgg said:

@MasonG said:

@ricko said:
That is just poor packaging. The coin should have been wrapped and taped to the inside and it should have been a bubble envelope. Fault = seller. Cheers, RickO

It's the seller's fault for improper packing but a bubble envelope is not necessary, especially when it costs 10x more for shipping. Spending 25% of the price of the coin on shipping and insurance for a bubble envelope ($5.10 or so for a $20 coin) is silly when a regular envelope will do just fine and costs 53 cents using eBay Standard Envelope.

Ebay standard envelope also includes $20 insurance. If that’s how it was sent, the seller shouldn’t hesitate to issue a refund.

They seem to be refunding me. 👍
If still rather have the coin 😉

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In my case, it was a $100 silver medal minted in 1948, counterstamped by a coin club in the late 1990's, probably unique, and totally irreplaceable. Yeah, I would have much preferred the coin.

I eventually bought from that seller again but it took a while. The next purchase came with both handwritten and printed address labels. The coin was in a plastic baggie and was taped to a small piece of cardboard in the envelope. Not the best, but better.

Z

airplanenut

@LanceNewmanOCC said:

@moursund said:

@LanceNewmanOCC said:
is that a coin shipment standard envelope for a coin over $20?

well, just over $20...
But I was the only bidder on the auction, and I thought it a nice coin for $20...

Still, one of many to fill my well-circulated barber half album. It wasn't the love of my life.

if you communicate with the seller again, you can advise to staple on each side of the item(s) within the packing slip. only way someone is getting a coin outta one of my envelopes is essentially ripping it in half. staples are cheap but need to be used cautiously.

I’m leery to advise anyone to use staples. Pull them out incorrectly and you scratch the coin. I’ve been cut more than once trying to get coins free where I had little room to work with or didn’t even see the staple in a thin piece of cardboard. If you want to go the secure route like that I’d say just tape the flip to the invoice, or better yet, put the flip in a small baggy (much stronger to hold the coin in if the flip rips) and consider taping that to the invoice.

[Deleted User]

@ZoidMeister said:
Happened to me last year. The seller was very indignant about it, said that I should have paid him for insurance.

It took a while, but I got the post office to stamp the envelope "missing contents", refused delivery and had the empty envelope returned to the sender.

The envelope came back to me, I took pictures and filed a non-receipt claim with ebay. I did eventually get refunded.

Seller handwritten my address which had a ZipCode error in it. The package went back and forth from San Francisco to Atlanta three times over six weeks before showing up empty. Seller said he'd mailed over 7,000 packages with loose coins and handwritten addresses without ever having a problem. I told him he could never say that again.

He essentially said "tough luck."

Z

You have his address, right? Knock on his door and politely ask for a refund.