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coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,544 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 25, 2022 7:09PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I am interested in hearing others thoughts about the toning on this Morgan dollar. I'm most interested in the thoughts on how this tone formed, but please also feel free to share your feelings on the tone, positive or negative. Photos by Mark Goodman so this is how the coin looks in hand.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaned then looks toned artificially. I could be wrong , but in any case I do not like the toning on that coin.

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  • JW77JW77 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can't speak to how the coin was toned, whether artificial or natural; however, i actually really like the toning on the reverse, not so much he obverse.

  • rkprkp Posts: 444 ✭✭✭

    I don't care for the obverse toning at all. The reverse toning however, is beautiful. I'm by no means an expert but it has the overall look and feel of being AT, though the letters on the bottom reverse do have that classic pull away-ish toning.

  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There was some marmalade spread between the coins in a stack of morgan's, and when they were pulled apart...

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,819 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I dunno. At best, it's neutral. When something looks different than "all of the others", it's hard for me to like it.

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reverse is not bad, although not sure I've seen that shade of brown before. If it was a brilliant yellow or red would be better. Not a fan of the splotchy obverse toning, although I think it is NT. Not sure what caused the toning. Maybe in a paper roll wrapper, the reverse on the end & with the color seeping into the obverse?

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    older PCI slabs (green label white rubber insert) will give toning that sometimes looks like that
    on the 90% silver it is splotchy starting with orange, on the 99.9% it sometimes is incredible

    The Morgan you show is not particularly attractive to me.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say dipped and not properly rinsed. This is not the type of toning that would form on the coin if it had never been touched. I think that the obverse looks more natural than the reverse, but neither side could be called "original."

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  • erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,180 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I see pull-a-way toning on the reverse so would lean toward NT/MA. However, its a coin I personally would pass on.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The obverse discoloration appears to be residual... something applied and dried. The reverse is the same, but not as splotchy.... AT in my opinion. Cheers, RickO

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No idea on it's toning via legitimate means, but it is oddly attractive.

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s hard to tell for sure, I’m thinking it could have happened naturally or could be partly natural and partly accelerated with heating being involved.

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am not sure how it toned but I personally do not like the look.

  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Meh….Reverse is pretty nice but the obverse is a killjoy…
    Pretty sure everyone is aware that PCGS will Holder any coin for you reverse to the label side. Not saying i would have this particular coin graded but it can be done.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 ✭

    It looks like natural toning around the periphery of the reverse, but i don't like the color in the center or on the obverse. Maybe the toning was helped, with color added to an already toned coin, or maybe it's all natural toning and some kind of residue on the obverse made it tone strangely. It also could have been in a whitman style folder, obverse up, and the obverse was exposed to finger rub but the reverse wasn't.

  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In the right circumstance with the obverse resting against a piece of tissue paper (perhaps) the splotchy toning can occur. The reverse, left to an unchanging flow of air would tone uniformly, as yours has. The eagles right wing with the thin untoned band makes me think tissue. It's real IMO.

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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 26, 2022 7:03PM

    Hmmm ... maybe dipped and re-toned? Not very attractive to my eyes, but I've seen worse.

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  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like PCI holder toning. The PCI holder has a tendency to tone coins in the holder.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,544 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for all the comments everyone, it is an interesting looking conversation piece for sure. A couple of comments are on par with what I think happened, Bill mentioned dip residue which I think is part of the equation here. And two others noted the PCI aspect, I did not mention it in the op so as not to taint the replies but this is in one of the old green label PCI holders with the ten digit barcode.

    Hard to tell from a static photo but the toning is very thin and translucent with strong luster that moves well under the toning so I do not think that AT is in play. But I have the feeling that it was dipped and not well rinsed, which in combo with the PCI type of toning led to this result.

    I bought the coin back in 2006 on Ebay for $26, Now I'm not a big toner guy but this one was very different, and I figured what the heck. Thanks for the thoughts and views on the tone, I think it falls into that you either like it or not bucket. I have often wondered what it would look like if I sent it in for restoration, but it's more interesting this way so it stays in the PCI holder. Thanks to Mark Goodman for the great photos once again.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:
    Thanks for all the comments everyone, it is an interesting looking conversation piece for sure. A couple of comments are on par with what I think happened, Bill mentioned dip residue which I think is part of the equation here. And two others noted the PCI aspect, I did not mention it in the op so as not to taint the replies but this is in one of the old green label PCI holders with the ten digit barcode.

    Hard to tell from a static photo but the toning is very thin and translucent with strong luster that moves well under the toning so I do not think that AT is in play. But I have the feeling that it was dipped and not well rinsed, which in combo with the PCI type of toning led to this result.

    I bought the coin back in 2006 on Ebay for $26, Now I'm not a big toner guy but this one was very different, and I figured what the heck. Thanks for the thoughts and views on the tone, I think it falls into that you either like it or not bucket. I have often wondered what it would look like if I sent it in for restoration, but it's more interesting this way so it stays in the PCI holder. Thanks to Mark Goodman for the great photos once

    How can you suggest dipping and holder assisted toning and consider it natural?

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When you bot in 06, was the toning you see now already in place or did it progress much since then from the holder? Assuming it was dipped white, do you think it could tone that rapidly to 2006? Seems like a lot of toning in 10 years or less unless these PCI holders do cause a quick chemical reaction.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,544 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coastaljerseyguy said:
    When you bot in 06, was the toning you see now already in place or did it progress much since then from the holder? Assuming it was dipped white, do you think it could tone that rapidly to 2006? Seems like a lot of toning in 10 years or less unless these PCI holders do cause a quick chemical reaction.

    I do not think the toning has progressed much if any since 2006, however I did not take photos then so all I have is my memory to compare to these photos. A good coin to circle back to in another 15 years and see if any change to the toning occurs from now to then.

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  • Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I respect all the different kind of collectors including those that like toners - but for me, I consider it damage and I am a “blast white or bust” kind of silver dollar collector. I try to get them as close to how they looked when first minted as possible - but that’s just me.

    And btw it ain’t easy - I am struggling to finish my date set Liberty peace dollars in all MS64 or higher in total blast white. Some issues are just super hard to find without some toning - especially the S mints! But I’m about half there - thanks for sharing and giving us a chance to add in .... much obliged!
    cheers!

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do like the reverse and do not like the obverse.

    I suspect the white plastic surrounding coin was involved with the toning.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Meltdown yours looks naturally toned in the holder.

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Toning, I like!
    Her Cheek, I like even more!
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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not natural toning.

    Not that attractive but not ugly, either.

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  • icsoccericsoccer Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭

    Not my cup of tea.

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