Can you tell us where you got the coin?
What makes me suspect are these flow lines (see below) - the SMS coin should not really have these so distinct because only a few coins were made and flow lines like this normally mean a die that has had significant usage and are much more limited / harder to see on proof - SMS or SP type coins (matte surface, etc). Your lines are much too vivid to be SMS coin imho ... the teardrop is also not unique to just sms coins - there is a you tube video that makes this same point and shows some proof 64s with the teardrop ....
Mark under 4 from a small number 2, part of 2 touches under 4, other coins are from die break only.
Thus is not a proof, not business either..
Die breaks match graded die breaks...
If fresh dies.. wouldn't be any die breaks...
Thus... other detioriation marks also possible...
Definitely matches graded 67 pre sale one on Heritage but not as nice. I would say, end of run, 63/64.
No way in world matches that good. Sent to be graded today...
@gumby1234 said:
OK OK my final offer. FIVE HUNDRED QUINTILLION DOLLARS
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i'm pretty darn sure that is the largest number i've ever seen on any currency and there are some big ones out there! thanks for sharing. sorry for those people though. wow
Compared to graded 1964 SMS image in same location. Multiple die breaks from rim traveling to top portions of letters prominently C and A, marks on and around letters match. Other lines close to rim flowing downward are present but faint. I realize that similar breaks can occur on same type coins however, when there are several in exact locations, I think it would be logical that it would be considered a very high chance that coins are from same dies.
So, if clearly these breaks are on graded coin, a fresh new die was not used or it developed multiple cracks also in many other areas contributing to the look as well which must be present on these coins to be considered. This coin has mark Of America, the multiple at Half Dollar and a Thin mark under the 4 as on some of these. Some the mark is thicker and bold and a few, you really need a good loop or better.
I think it has been made clear here and on other threads that it is IMPOSSIBLE to EVER "find" a supposed 1964 SMS coin. The ONLY way (read ONLY) is to BUY one that has been certified. End of story. You do not have one and will never have one unless you are willing to shell out around $100,000 for a half. Sorry.
Why is this? Well all of these coins can be traced to the Mint Director's (Eva Adam's) estate. Given that all of them form her estate have been certified or are in very knowledgeable collector hands, it remains IMPOSSIBLE to have the TPGs certify one of these without heavy documentation. I doubt another will ever be certified. Many would say this with certainty.
Ask yourself if you would think you had a SMS coin if it was worth a fraction of the value of a circulation strike coin. I doubt you would.
Every few weeks, this member pulls out some more pics to troll the members. Although he has been advised repeatedly, he refuses to send it in for authentication, instead he just kept posting pics upon pics.
Notice how many regular members no longer post to this thread. That sounds like the best move, IMO. Ignore the trolling and hopefully it goes away.
If he is going to tax very seasoned people's brain cells and acumen, at the very least he owes them a submission where he puts his money where his mouth is in a submission to PCGS, NGC, Anacs or ICG and keep us updated on the results.
@logger7 said:
If he is going to tax very seasoned people's brain cells and acumen, at the very least he owes them a submission where he puts his money where his mouth is in a submission to PCGS, NGC, Anacs or ICG and keep us updated on the results.
I don’t think he’s taxing anyone’s brain cells and he certainly doesn’t owe anyone a submission, in order to put his money where his mouth is. My guess is that he already knows what the coin is(n’t).
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@JBK said:
I thought he already submitted some of these.
Yes, definitely. Every time I ask what the status is on them he doesn't answer. I will try one more time, what happened with the ones you sent for attribution?
@JBK said:
I thought he already submitted some of these.
Yes, definitely. Every time I ask what the status is on them he doesn't answer. I will try one more time, what happened with the ones you sent for attribution?
I think it’s a good bet that IF he submitted any and IF any were designated SMS, he would have posted the results. 😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@JBK said:
I thought he already submitted some of these.
Yes, definitely. Every time I ask what the status is on them he doesn't answer. I will try one more time, what happened with the ones you sent for attribution?
I think it’s a good bet that IF he submitted any and IF any were designated SMS, he would have posted the results. 😉
@ChrisH821 said:
A coin could be from the same dies but that doesn't matter. They aren't going to strike a few coins then throw a good set of dies in the trash.
I am not seeing any of the same die polish on your coin, or any of the sms characteristics for that matter.
Realize that some 1964 halves are of higher quality than others, that is normal production variance.
Yeah, why would they waste a good set of dies? I can't figure out why the coins aren't more proof-like (which I have ) since those are the coins new dies usually make at the beginning of their use in production unless that single set of dies were sandblasted to give that satin look. And since production of all denominations increased 400 percent over 1963 production, almost 4 billion to over 12 billion coins and it's known the 1964 date was produced well into 1966, makes sense someone would have had the, well.....good sense to make a few early mint sets, albeit sandblasted or whatever..... or at someone's request, who knows, there's little or no documentation, lot of hearsay, someone got the sets from so and so. And it's known the US Mint has pulled and has stored/stashed away many of the very first coins made for many years (there's an old thread here somewhere on someone's visit to a US Mint facility and there was a photo op of that individual's experience. If someone could remember it and find that thread and follow up with me). And why would they go through the trouble of modifying the dies (removing the satin finish effect only after making only 30 coins? I just don't see that happening/happened. It's also known that the satin finish coins made for the years 2005 t0 2010, once the quota for the mint sets were met, satin finished coins that didn't make it into the sets were released into circulation so there's no reason why they wouldn't have done the same thing in 1964. And to spare most of you of my opinion on what I think these so called SMS coins are .......have a nice evening.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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I'll see your billion and raise you.
Oh well, I guess there is no denying it if it has little s's and p's all over it. Definitely send it in for authentication.
Didn't work ATS and won't work here - Ratzie33
Ratzie/James R. does have a certain recognizable style doesn't he.
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It is not one. I know that.
I'm not here to convince anyone... just info...
Anyone ever see numbers on coin like this?? Top of B on the B.. enlarge..
I can make out what looks like 193 or 192, some inside of top opening in B as well.
Does this look like the correct mark under the 4???
It does - this could be worth millions, better send it in to be sure ....
I don't know about millions,... Plan on sending....
Looks promising,....
Oh Jesus - can you please get some magnified Pictures ?????
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Hope this does the trick...
Sometimes hard to understand these marks. Some have mark like this one, some are very faint thin what looks like part of a 2 under.
Looks between top two examples to me...
I'm seeing the shooter on the grassy knoll.
Can you tell us where you got the coin?
What makes me suspect are these flow lines (see below) - the SMS coin should not really have these so distinct because only a few coins were made and flow lines like this normally mean a die that has had significant usage and are much more limited / harder to see on proof - SMS or SP type coins (matte surface, etc). Your lines are much too vivid to be SMS coin imho ... the teardrop is also not unique to just sms coins - there is a you tube video that makes this same point and shows some proof 64s with the teardrop ....
Mark under 4 from a small number 2, part of 2 touches under 4, other coins are from die break only.
Thus is not a proof, not business either..
Die breaks match graded die breaks...
If fresh dies.. wouldn't be any die breaks...
Thus... other detioriation marks also possible...
Definitely matches graded 67 pre sale one on Heritage but not as nice. I would say, end of run, 63/64.
No way in world matches that good. Sent to be graded today...
@Peaceman1 I hope you sent your documentation tracing it to Eva Adams in with it too…
Coin Photographer.
There have been lots of pictures and words for a $10 coin.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Forgot, the 2 on middle right tail feather of graded 67 on Heritage for sale soon its also on the coin...
Another day, another delusion...
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i'm pretty darn sure that is the largest number i've ever seen on any currency and there are some big ones out there! thanks for sharing. sorry for those people though. wow
Excellent!
So no more posts to this thread until a few months from now when the slabbed coin comes back?
Please keep us posted peaceman!
Have you heard anything on the 1964 sms coins you sent in to be graded in January?
I find it amazing that this thread is still active.... Cheers, RickO
The second image is of another coin yet,
Compared to graded 1964 SMS image in same location. Multiple die breaks from rim traveling to top portions of letters prominently C and A, marks on and around letters match. Other lines close to rim flowing downward are present but faint. I realize that similar breaks can occur on same type coins however, when there are several in exact locations, I think it would be logical that it would be considered a very high chance that coins are from same dies.
So, if clearly these breaks are on graded coin, a fresh new die was not used or it developed multiple cracks also in many other areas contributing to the look as well which must be present on these coins to be considered. This coin has mark Of America, the multiple at Half Dollar and a Thin mark under the 4 as on some of these. Some the mark is thicker and bold and a few, you really need a good loop or better.
I think it has been made clear here and on other threads that it is IMPOSSIBLE to EVER "find" a supposed 1964 SMS coin. The ONLY way (read ONLY) is to BUY one that has been certified. End of story. You do not have one and will never have one unless you are willing to shell out around $100,000 for a half. Sorry.
Why is this? Well all of these coins can be traced to the Mint Director's (Eva Adam's) estate. Given that all of them form her estate have been certified or are in very knowledgeable collector hands, it remains IMPOSSIBLE to have the TPGs certify one of these without heavy documentation. I doubt another will ever be certified. Many would say this with certainty.
Ask yourself if you would think you had a SMS coin if it was worth a fraction of the value of a circulation strike coin. I doubt you would.
Coin Photographer.
Loupe
What is going on above the CA of AMERICA in your coin? Is that a peeling lamination or an embedded strike through?
Maybe a piece of paper from the mint saying something like 'this is a special strike, you have won the mint lottery'.
NOPE.
Every few weeks, this member pulls out some more pics to troll the members. Although he has been advised repeatedly, he refuses to send it in for authentication, instead he just kept posting pics upon pics.
Notice how many regular members no longer post to this thread. That sounds like the best move, IMO. Ignore the trolling and hopefully it goes away.
If he is going to tax very seasoned people's brain cells and acumen, at the very least he owes them a submission where he puts his money where his mouth is in a submission to PCGS, NGC, Anacs or ICG and keep us updated on the results.
I thought he already submitted some of these.
I don’t think he’s taxing anyone’s brain cells and he certainly doesn’t owe anyone a submission, in order to put his money where his mouth is. My guess is that he already knows what the coin is(n’t).
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The decision of the judges is final.
Yes, definitely. Every time I ask what the status is on them he doesn't answer. I will try one more time, what happened with the ones you sent for attribution?
I think it’s a good bet that IF he submitted any and IF any were designated SMS, he would have posted the results. 😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
No question about it!
Yeah, why would they waste a good set of dies? I can't figure out why the coins aren't more proof-like (which I have
) since those are the coins new dies usually make at the beginning of their use in production unless that single set of dies were sandblasted to give that satin look. And since production of all denominations increased 400 percent over 1963 production, almost 4 billion to over 12 billion coins and it's known the 1964 date was produced well into 1966, makes sense someone would have had the, well.....good sense to make a few early mint sets, albeit sandblasted or whatever..... or at someone's request, who knows, there's little or no documentation, lot of hearsay, someone got the sets from so and so. And it's known the US Mint has pulled and has stored/stashed away many of the very first coins made for many years (there's an old thread here somewhere on someone's visit to a US Mint facility and there was a photo op of that individual's experience. If someone could remember it and find that thread and follow up with me). And why would they go through the trouble of modifying the dies (removing the satin finish effect only after making only 30 coins? I just don't see that happening/happened. It's also known that the satin finish coins made for the years 2005 t0 2010, once the quota for the mint sets were met, satin finished coins that didn't make it into the sets were released into circulation so there's no reason why they wouldn't have done the same thing in 1964. And to spare most of you of my opinion on what I think these so called SMS coins are .......have a nice evening. 
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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I was hoping for an update from the OP on this submission.
He hasn't signed on since April 1st.