This is whizzed, right?

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jonathanb
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edited February 21, 2022 6:42PM in U.S. Coin Forum

All I know about whizzing is that people used to do it a lot and it hardly happens anymore. I'm not sure i've ever seen a whizzed coin... but this is whizzed, right? Or just plain counterfeit?

This is HK-302, the official medal for the Louisiana Purchase Exposition, in brass. The second picture is how it's supposed to look. The first one, no so much.

FWIW, the weights are basically the same for the two pieces: 16.3 grams for the bad one, 16.7 grams for the good one.

All pictures were taken in a row, with the same lighting. This isn't a matter of enlarging a grainy picture. The medals really do look like that.

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  • gumby1234
    gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    looks to be a whizzed coin

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  • CaptHenway
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    Probably. Need better pictures.

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  • bsshog40
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    If it is whizzed, I would be curious as to what they used. I don't guess I've ever seen whiz marks like the one's on this coin. It looks like a sand molded coin.

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    Hoard the keys.
  • 2windy2fish
    2windy2fish Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So far beyon whizzed....

  • Gemstrike
    Gemstrike Posts: 92 ✭✭✭
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    Yes

  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like it may have been done in ignorance rather than maliciously.

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  • moursund
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    @bsshog40 said:
    If it is whizzed, I would be curious as to what they used. I don't guess I've ever seen whiz marks like the one's on this coin. It looks like a sand molded coin.

    Yeah, I was thinking it looks more like a cast copy.

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  • moursund
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    @bsshog40 said:
    If it is whizzed, I would be curious as to what they used. I don't guess I've ever seen whiz marks like the one's on this coin. It looks like a sand molded coin.

    Yeah, I was thinking it looks more like a cast copy.

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  • johnny9434
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    Looks it to me as well

  • PerryHall
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    @ChrisH821 said:
    Looks like it may have been done in ignorance rather than maliciously.

    You can say the same about virtually every harshly cleaned coin and it's usually done by a non-collector who thinks polishing a coin will somehow make it better and more valuable.

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  • dcarr
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    Genuine, but way beyond just "whizzing".
    It has been heavily wire-brushed using a power tool and relatively stiff bristles.

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  • ricko
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    That coin has been harshly whizzed/brushed/scraped/whatever..... by an amateur. Cheers, RickO

  • PerryHall
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    Originally, whizzing used to be accomplished with a small hand-held drill with a small wire brush attachment. The tiny brush would be carefully used to create artificial luster in the fields by working the brush within and next to the letters, numbers, portrait, etc. This style of alteration fell out of favor once it became well publicized in the numismatic press.

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  • WAYNEAS
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    It definitely has had some work done on it.
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  • manlye1
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    Cast copy IMO

  • jesbroken
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    Somebody did not like toning.
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  • 1630Boston
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    @jesbroken said:
    Somebody did not like toning.
    Jim

    That would be @ricko

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  • jesbroken
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    Someone take @ricko 's tools.
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  • Jimnight
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    I'm thinking wire wheel .

  • nwcoast
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    edited February 22, 2022 1:10PM
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    I’ve got some coins that were whizzed and they’re not nearly as messed up as your example.
    I’m in the wire wheelhouse camp on this one.

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  • NumisOxide
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    Looks wire wheeled as others stated.

  • 59Horsehide
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    Definitely not die polish marks.

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